Post-NaNo Update: Rusty Mental Gears

RL stress is not good for plotbunnies. Or plotting. Or writing in general. Nope.

However, after handling several “must get done” stresses the past few days, I think I’ve finally cleared some breathing room. Enough to get the rusty plotting gears going again. Rough-sketched scenes of a bit more of the big fight today. They’ll need work, a lot of work, but I’m hoping that if I can get starting images of “this, then this, then that” down as words, polishing it later will be just more editing work.

I have at least figured out who’s fighting what, what main magical effects are getting tossed around that everyone has to dodge, and how to set up for one Dramatic Bit of enchantment that will top everything off.

…Oh, and I got in a horrible Troping pun. Which I’d been waiting the whole length of the book to use in the right place.

Yep. I’m Evil.

I wonder how many people will see it coming….

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23 thoughts on “Post-NaNo Update: Rusty Mental Gears

  1. Well, if they have been reading your work for a while, then they will know that you are a dedicated Troper.

    And are fond of puns.

    So unless they are absolute newcomer, they only have themselves to blame for thinking there would be no tropes, puns, or trope puns.

    (Besides, people like Terry Pratchett’s work and it’s filled with puns and other forms of word play. And dealing with narrative causality . . . which is pretty similar to playing with tropes when you think about it.)

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  2. On a completely different topic; There is one trope that makes me frustrated beyond all recognition. It is that Magic is insufficiently analyzed Science. Ex: Star*******Gate. If there’s a crossover with Stargate, anything magical is false/delusion. That Does Not Work with certain shows/universes. RWBY,Final Fantasy, and Wild Arms 2 are examples. I have seen 50ish crossovers between RWBY and Stargate. Guess how many say that Aura and dust are science based?Magic A is Not Science A.Even Weird Science A.

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    1. Star-Gate can’t have the SGC go “Okay, maybe that is magic after all” because Star-Gate ‘science’ is too rubbery to distinguish from magic on its own merits.

      Says the fellow who thinks it is possible to do a Star-Gate/Campione crossover based on the assumption that Goa’uld ‘deity’ imposters have magical properties that they are mostly in too low a mana area to use. Or a crossover with something like Delta Green, where there are things wise people don’t try to explain with science. Or a crossover with Exalted, where if there is an underlying scientific angle, it is reasonably too fancy for the SGC to ever get a handle on. Or maybe the Furlings were magic.

      In other words, I think you can get Star-Gate to cross over with magic, so long as you re-imagine the SGC a little. Stick with pure canon SGC, and you can drift into problems. The ease of crossing over things with Star-Gate tempts one into skipping some of the pre-crossing analysis.

      Thrythlind did an AMG/FMP/Ranma cross where the SG program was explicitly involved in supernatural activity and aware of it.

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      1. Crossing with the SGC should always be considered carefully and in detail, because the backstory of the show tends to lean toward “how can X benefit the SGC” rather than actual world exploration. So they can be hard to balance with another setting if both sides are going to get equal worth and time.

        (Written while compiling yet more pages of notes for an SGC cross….)

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      2. Thrythlind (sp?) has been on FFN for some time.

        It’s a good bet that CCC’s note taking is for the Kabenari/Star Gate bunny that has been mentioned a lot lately.

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      3. I just checked, and I don’t see the fic you’re talking about there. I was thinking of River of Stars.

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      4. https://m.fanfiction.net/s/5175006/1/Divine-Blood

        Warning: Starts with, how to put this delicately, a gang rape. It is not particularly graphic as such things go, and the second chapter is past it, but the people who won’t want to read it won’t want to read it.

        The Kabenari/Star Gate fic that has been mentioned a few times here has not been written yet to the best of my knowledge.

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      5. It might not be clear to everyone, but that was the second response where I was confused about whether Rachel was talking about the FMP/AMG/Ranma thing I posted about, or what is probably Vathara’s Kabenari bunny. So both times my post included two answers to different questions.

        My apologies for the confusion.

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    2. Also, sufficiently repeatable magic can be analyzed by scientific methods and a technology* built around it. This is why you sometimes get fantasy authors worrying about whether they’ve got the look and feel of magic correct, or whether it is too much turn the crank. Authors have different goals, and sometimes those lead them in the direction of repeatable magic.

      *systemic study of technique

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      1. *Nod* There is a difference between science and technology. Harry Turtledove’s “The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump” is a good example of a world based on magic, that yet looks eerily familiar to our eyes – with magic carpets instead of cars, Intensive Prayer Units in hospitals, and hermetic seals that involve invoking Hermes directly.

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    3. That actually depends on how you define magic and science. The scientific method is something that can be applied to any real-world phenomenon. If magic creates real-world effects, you can certainly apply the method to it.

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      1. Yes! If magic exists in a setting then it is a natural part of that setting. Science is the study of nature and natural laws. No matter how weird and squiggly those laws may sometimes be. You’ll most certainly need to adjust your worldview, and accept weirdness into your life, and accept that just because it doesn’t make sense to you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. Most of our understanding of the universe is based on almost accurate assumptions and some entirely plausible, entirely reasonable, completely wrong assumptions. And Magic is often applied like the harder sciences, but acts like the softer sciences, i.e. I can do this specific physical thing (healing, divining, smiting) by force of (personality, resolve, insight, mystical linguistics). I always think of magic as entirely natural, just separate from plain material mundanity, it ignores some things that material things can’t and is bound by rules that wash right over the immutability of material existence. And living things are caught between. So, some of the things in SciFi settings could very well be Magic, but that doesn’t stop anyone from building a field of Science for or around it. Hope this makes sense. And was interesting or at least constructive.

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      2. The problem is that, by definitions of science now current, any natural phenomenon is covered by science. So if magic exists, either it is something part of normal stuff and is covered by science, or it is something supernatural/preternatural. And the latter is covered by religion and/or philosophy. Magic just is not a meaningful category, in itself.

        So it is lucky for magic that it remains in the realm of indeterminate handwaves, in most of fiction.

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      3. As far as RL definitions go, I consider scientist/engineer and priest/magician to be matching pairs.

        Science is a fairly specific way of searching for answers, knowing. Engineering is a fairly specific way of solving problems, doing.

        A priest is involved in public or group rituals based on magical thinking, like a sacrifice to control a river’s flooding. A magician performs private or hidden rituals based on magical thinking, like a curse tablet.

        So a scientist might study the physics of radioactivity in certain ways. An engineer might design and test reactors, shields, or bombs. A priest might equate certain radioactivity policies with outcomes, for example referring to the nuclear disarmament symbol as the peace symbol. A magician might send mildly radioactive material to someone in the expectation it would cause harm, not realizing that there are degrees of radioactivity and not taking steps an engineer would to ensure harmful dosing.

        Quite a lot of media is created by people who have not made such observations, so the definitions in fiction are in practice different. I don’t judge fictional characters and practices by real world standards. Much. I’m used to ignoring that little song of nitpicking as part of my willing suspension of disbelief.

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