Post-NaNo Update: A Few Notes

A few people have expressed interest in “how do you write this stuff?”

Well, first I get a pile of scrap paper….

No, seriously. I find it a lot easier to get started on an idea on scrap paper than clean sheets of paper. That way I can get over the mental hump of “but this idea’s not good enough!” by reminding myself this is just scrap paper, if the idea’s no good I was going to recycle it anyway.

Second, I got lucky through writing fanfic and found a few people who share part of my quirky view on SF&F, who are willing to give me feedback and add to the insanity.

…So. A bit of notes used for Seeds of Blood, in part produced by tossing things with a few beta-readers as I was hacking out scenes, and certain things redacted not to spoil surprises.

Chang might have shown her the gesture. In which case, Dorren might have demonstrated it for Myrrh – and Church – when they asked her about details.

Hmm. And it’d be effective against evil in general, so Myrrh still might not tag “X monster” yet.

“Effective against evil in general” would be something a minor practitioner who knows the odds would collect. After all – not many people have good enough memories to correctly ID something very rare and remember the precise requirements to nullify it.

Y monster bit, cut and move to later, along with the X monster bit of the lecture. Instead, have a scene with Stimson showing up, interacting with the “seedlings”, and bringing an offering to the cave opening? And the offering could include alcohol, among other things. Something to do subtle hints of “not just a fay here.”

One question would be “are they gone, or are the traces gone?” And, “do we only see these turning up at newer sites?”

X monsters are patient, but… a Y monster probably wouldn’t be hanging around that long, before moving. Granted, to them, five years is “not long”.

True. But? Hanging out in a cave in a barbaric American city. No Y’s going to stand for that. And given that Stimson is needing to calculate how to get it not to kick things off too soon… So the X monsters are likely a relatively new development. …eep.

So for older sites Stimson must have gotten seeds…

Suggesting Steven had something brewing in the works. (Leading to bringing Y monster in recently.)

*EG* Yes, there are lectures. You don’t think Myrrh plans to fight evil all by herself, given the vampires have come out of the crypts, so to speak? There are definitely going to be lectures. With people making videos.

(AKA monsters want to come out of the shadows and ban hawthorn and silver? Ooookay. Here’s how to give a vampire a Bad Day using your average kitchen ingredients….)


28 thoughts on “Post-NaNo Update: A Few Notes

  1. (AKA monsters want to come out of the shadows and ban hawthorn and silver? Ooookay. Here’s how to give a vampire a Bad Day using your average kitchen ingredients….)

    As the great Obi-Wan Kenobi once say: “There are alternatives.”

    Through part of me thinks that monsters aren’t going to have a lot of luck banning hawthorn and silver considering the level of difficulty it can take to get humans to agree to stop using stuff that is harmful or fatal to other humans . . . and actually stop using it once they agreed.

    Plus, knowing politicians, the law will be stupidly written so you get a lot of civil and not so civil disobedience because like heck I am turning over my grandmother’s silver tea service to be melted down to make the monsters more comfortable . . . especially since you aren’t offering to pay me even close to the market value for the metal . . . . or I’m not chopping down that tree in my year – it’s been there for ages, taking it will look ugly and mess up my property values . . . .

    Or the politicians who don’t like the idea while add in weird loopholes or riders that make it unlikely to pass or impossible to enforce or something . . .

    Or the people who just refuse to the follow that law because the people it protects are monsters and they are not interested in doing anything that protects monsters. Especially ones that eat people.

    Not saying it’s impossible for them to get it past – god(s) know our politicians have passed some face-palm worthy legislature in the past (and will in the future) – just that it probably won’t be easy. And then probably won’t do what it was supposed to do in the first place.

    (Not to mention that by banning them, they are telling everyone this stuff hurts me. Which is a dumb thing to do for monsters that may or may not want to get away with eating people.)

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    1. Well, they made getting the bullets require a permit. Yes, there are underground sources. But most law-abiding people don’t go looking for those. Not when the official story is they’re not monsters, just misunderstood….

      Myrrh does not agree. Strenuously.

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      1. Can’t say that I blame her.

        . . . through I can see people, even they haven’t been looking for ways to get around the permit thing, being skeptical about that misunderstood monster narrative. Yes, some people probably do believe it because people they trust told them so . . . but some people won’t for various and sundry reasons. Some of them sensible. Others not. Because humans. Maybe not skeptical enough to look for ways to protect themselves from the monsters if it means breaking the law but . . .

        Not saying you haven’t thought of this but I can see someone wanting to believe the party line because they want to trust the people saying but can’t shut off some deep survival instinct that is screaming screw that nonsense, they have claws and fangs and more and those stories about eating people did not come from nowhere! and having to be prepared, just in case . . .

        (Reading this series is on my to-do list but money for books has been and sometimes still is scare – which means I’ve built up a bit of backlog on books I’ve been meaning to buy . . . not mention someone who shall remain nameless has gotten me into the Valdemar books . . . of course, my book want list often exceeds my wallet and is always getting stuff added to it)

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      2. If I were the vampires, I would set up a legal defense group just for vampires and maybe werewolves just to get the lawsuits started faster than if they’d waited for the ACLU to do it and only approached them regarding lawsuits and not, say, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the only other organization I can name that just might do this if asked. Frankly, after a cursory examination of the SPLC website, the vamps’ best bet would have been to focus on the latter. Their website proudly declares that they have dismantled white supremacist groups while the ACLU doesn’t appear to be in the business of dismantling any group. If enough of the ACLU wound up like the snooty bank manager in grey, maybe. I’d still bet on the SPLC collaborating with vampiric legal advocacy groups with blood slaves on the day shift and vampires on the night shift instead.

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  2. i’m kinda surprised that hole “we are just misunderstood friendly neighborhood vampire” thing has survived the high profile murders. i guess it helps that the unmasked world is pretty new.

    still love the book, i really should reread it before the next one comes out

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    1. If I remember right, the first high-profile murder they set up to frame the “hunters,” so it’s easier to use DARVO tactics– “see, see, they’re just accusing me because they ALWAYS do! I only engage in consensual blood drinking with adults– here, this pretty lady will explain how wonderful it is.”

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      1. i know that part.

        i’m just amazed they somehow managed to hold onto that mask of innocence for twenty years.

        they just didn’t seem very capable of hiding all the evil sh*t they do in the story.

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      2. We’ve got folks from several countries who routinely bring their slaves* over and it’s public knowledge for at least 25 years, but even now you only hear about it if you’re looking for that kind of stuff.

        *usually from the Philippine Islands; get a generous job offer, show up, your passport is taken away. Human trafficking groups do a lot of poking around diplomats’ houses to check for this. One case, I think it was Saudi, was fairly high profile– the lady was not just a slave, but was tortured, too.

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      3. *Nod* This is one of the things that annoys me about various civil rights activists in the U.S., I admit. Oh, sure, get all het up about historical slavery, and totally ignore that there are places it still happens every day….

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      4. Insert comparison that is sufficiently political as to start flame wars…

        There is a lot of deception in the world. Some of it fairly systemic and long lasting. There are circumstances where the truth would be fairly hard to determine even if there was no deception involved.

        Is supernatural evil supposed to be less competent than some of the mundane evil that is actually fairly well attested if you pay attention and have been exposed to the right sources?

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      5. Insert comparison that is sufficiently political as to start flame wars…

        With the added dimension that they are inherently a threat, for the vamps and some other groups.

        That’s one of the reasons that X-Men as current political hotness didn’t work very well– Martin Luther King Jr didn’t read minds, Rosa Parks couldn’t kill you by touching your hand, etc.

        The supernatural evil has our culture on their side in that we don’t generally condemn every single individual as a homicidal maniac, because we’re dealing with people.
        The werewolves could even be slotted into a violent mental illness slot– it can be controlled, so even though you need to watch out, they’re not ALL evil.

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      1. Did you just confirm that they made blood slaves out of the ACLU? It bothered me that they seem to have sided with the vampires right away, given how long it took them to get on the side of the gay community according to Box Turtle Bulletin. Hell, the Southern Poverty Law Center took forever to list any anti-gay hate groups like the Family Research Council as such. As in, “until the 21st century.” Again, my source is Box Turtle Bulletin. It’s a bipartisan gay rights blog that really delves into the history of the movement.

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      2. You might want to check out Instapundit, Townhall, Pajamas Media, American Thinker, and Gates of Vienna. The ACLU isn’t “on the side” of the gay community. They tend to be on the side that causes the most Constitutional havoc. So as long as the gay community was just working toward not getting fired for their affections, the ACLU wasn’t interested. Start shutting businesses down for “discrimination based on religious grounds”, though – the ACLU was all over that.

        As for the Southern Poverty Law Center… sorry, I need to go *headdesk* for a while.

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      3. I just realized what that remark about “citing sources” I made in a post awaiting moderation due to abundant links looks like. I only figured it out because I’ve been watching this thread so I can see if it changes.


  3. I’ve decided to restate my reply without the links and much better writing:

    Box Turtle Bulletin, a bipartisan gay rights blog, posts short sketches of the lives of LGBT historical figures and their allies whenever their birthdays roll around and the days on which important events in LGBT history with short descriptions when they roll around. These are embedded within their Daily Agenda posts, which also include gay themed events such as pride parades scheduled for that day.

    These events include the day in 1957 when the ACLU finally took a position on gay rights, and it was, “we only do freedom of expression.” Frank Kameny’s response was basically, “That’s not what you told the Jehovah’s Witnesses!” It took him ten years before they finally caved in 1967. The final straw was Kameny testifying before Congress that Congressman Dowdy’s anti-gay bill was discriminatory.

    After writing the post, I discovered that Baker v. Nelson, a same-sex marriage case from 1971, was one of their lawsuits. It wasn’t one of the search results I got when I entered “ACLU” into Box Turtle Bulletin’s search engine and it was late when I wrote the post that is still under moderation. I couldn’t even deal rationally with the thought that you didn’t have enough of a problem with accusing liberals who were merely frightened of demanding trigger warnings and safe spaces and then not even fabricating words to that effect when you do to not read Pajamas Media.

    As a former moderator of a message board for the mentallly ill, I know what demands for trigger warnings look like. I also think they are for people who want to run away from their problems and that more effective treatments, which I prefer to name only if asked, would have prevented the trigger warnings movement from arising.

    Vathara, I would much prefer to tell you what those are by PMing you through your FFN account than here. I might actually have a chance of getting a post with lots of links to its destination right away.


    1. It also suffers from whining about a problem I could solve by getting a WordPress account and becoming a more nuanced thinker. Speaking of which, condemning people as monsters simply for disagreeing with you is called splitting. It’s associated with hippocampal atrophy and amygdalar hypertrophy and the hippocampus also allows you to learn and remember facts. This is almost certainly why the trigger warning movement’s members with the biggest problems with splitting do not cite facts or figures. It’s also why I couldn’t really get physics because of prednisone, and my spatial reasoning abilities didn’t suffer that much. I was just too concrete a thinker.


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