Current Events: So, About Those Masks

Remember ages and ages ago, in the misty depths of last week, when we were all told if we didn’t wear masks in public we were killing Grandma?

Yeah. About that.

Funny, it seems now that all you have to do NOT to get threatened, fined, etc. for not adhering to coronavirus guidelines… is burn part of a city down. Imagine that.

https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2020/05/30/l.a.-reporter-goes-off-floyd-protests-expose-how-ridiculous-and-arbitrary-stay-at-home-lectures-have-been/
“Lemon, Cuomo, Blitzer, and Acosta were among the many reporters/Dems (but I repeat myself) who accused Americans who wanted to get back to work of being selfish people who were okay with senior citizens dying from the Wuhan coronavirus if it meant they could “get a haircut” and get back to being greedy capitalists or something.

“Now all of a sudden we’re not hearing much of anything from these same people about how it would be safer to stay at home, how gathering in tight clusters of people will rapidly spread the virus, and how you must wear a mask and social distance if you have to go out in public.”

https://spectator.us/end-lockdown-stop-riots-minneapolis-coronavirus/

“Mayors in Atlanta and Minneapolis condemned the violent crowds which had gathered by the hundreds to turn on corporate businesses and small businesses alike and even the CNN headquarters building. But what was conspicuously missing from these condemnations were any health warnings that the deadly COVID-19 virus might spread as a result of these outbursts. We saw next to no hand-wringing and finger-wagging from the media or politicians about health concerns amid the riots, as we saw when Florida beaches and Lake of the Ozarks swimming pools started to fill up. If people can gather to torch a Target or an Autozone, why people should not be allowed to gather on restaurant patios and sports stadiums?”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/george-floyd-protests-okay-amid-coronavirus-gathering-ban-de-blasio/

“Mayor Bill de Blasio on Friday welcomed peaceful mass protests in the Big Apple over the police-involved death of George Floyd — even as he has staunchly barred other demonstrations, religious gatherings and fined small businesses $1,000 for reopening.”

Say one thing about the politicians in the above articles, they’re consistent. Threaten law-abiding citizens with shame, arrest, and destroying their businesses; fold like wet paper in front of actual violence.

Oh, but look – here’s one politician still saying we should wear masks!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/05/31/well-it-looks-like-a-key-liberal-talking-point-about-the-minneapolis-riots-just-got-shredded-n2569758
“Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, also a Democrat, have been outright disastrous in how they’ve handled the situation. They’ve allowed the city to be ruled by the mob. They’ve ceded parts of the city for them to destroy. It’s been a disaster. Frey even reminded the rioters about social distancing guidelines regarding the coronavirus.”

…You may have guessed I am angry.

Behave like a decent, law-abiding citizen, see your life and livelihood destroyed by people making rules and regulations that don’t affect their paycheck one bit. Riot, loot, and kill people? “Oh, well, we understand their rage….”

If you reward behavior, you get more of it. This is a basic and sometimes depressing fact of human nature, keenly felt by anyone trying to establish boundaries with abusive, bullying, and just plain nasty people. If someone calls you 50 times and you finally pick up, they don’t learn not to call you; they learn that on that 51st call, they get what they want.

Too many of our politicians are establishing: To get what you want, even if it’s out of a quarantine for a virus we say will kill people, start burning down the cities.

There is no way this will end well.

Oh, and to whatever unmitigated jackass (apparently female) who tried to start a riot on the I-10 on-ramp in Mobile Sunday afternoon – guess what? Gulf Coast local reporters actually do their jobs.

That’s right. They caught you on tape throwing that baseball bat into the MPD SUV window, then running back into the mob to hide under the cover of thrown bottles like the coward you are.

The local news knows your face. The cops know your face. Every person tuned in to the evening news knows your face.

They know what you did, and what you tried to do. How long before someone else with more sense rats you out?

Sweet dreams, moron.


And more links, if you want a spectrum of the disaster you won’t see on the evening news.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/minneapolis-goes-bagdhad.php

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/05/30/america-aflame-violent-protests-cities/
https://komonews.com/news/local/protesters-gather-in-seattle-for-2nd-day-of-protests-over-george-floyd-death
https://victorygirlsblog.com/floyd-protests-transform-into-opportunistic-riots/
https://victorygirlsblog.com/riots-across-america-george-floyd/

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-agents-of-chaos-crimes-mob

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/05/27/chaos-in-minneapolis-looting-occurring-in-the-city-n2569573
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/05/30/watch-rioters-in-chicago-drag-police-officers-n2569748
https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2020/05/30/fed-up-minneapolis-woman-gives-interview-that-every-riot-apologist-in-the-mainstream-media-should-watch/

59 thoughts on “Current Events: So, About Those Masks

  1. Yeah, it is a cluster* of perverse incentives.

    I may have somehow managed a good night’s sleep last night. Still not sane enough to find a good reliable path out of this. Going to try to get out of the house while it is still cool enough, and do some writing.

    There’s reason to suspect that the pols who are going along with this are not ‘innocents’ folding in the face of violence, but malicious actors.

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  2. I am also incredibly angry. But not for the same reasons you are. One of my friends was participating in a peaceful protest, before curfew. He was running water to other members. He had to be bailed out of jail yesterday because the cops tackled him, put him in an armbar, demanded he put both arms behind his back AFTER the prior, and maced him in the face after he was already down. For running water. During a peaceful protest. The police escalated. Oh, also the SEVERAL journalists who were shot/arrested while displaying their press credentials, including at least one who is permanently blind in her left eye because it pretty much EXPLODED after being shot. Our police are trampling all over our first amendment rights.

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    1. If that’s what your friend was doing, then that’s a shame.

      OTOH as for the other, the cops, like all the rest of us, are watching reporters cover what they continue to call “a peaceful protest” as buildings are burning down behind them in the shot. And press credentials are not a free pass to avoid being arrested in the midst of a mob.

      On top of that everyone opposed to the lockdown has had their First Amendment rights to peaceable assembly, freedom of speech, and free practice of religion trampled all over since March. Given that the epidemic is still ongoing, I’m wondering why you’re even surprised.

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    2. The problem is that the police have to treat every protest as if it’s going to be a precursor to the riots. And it’s not like the police are having an easier time either, several were shot, one is in critical condition after being shot in the back of the head, and several have been run over.

      I also have strong options on this, because my cousin is a police officer, so I don’t think I will choose to pursue a further discourse on this. I don’t think either of us will be able to come to a peaceable resolution. May we agree that we both have strong opinions that differ?

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      1. Yes. This. That lady in Mobile I mentioned was trying to start a riot. She failed only because the local cops had seen the coverage in Minneapolis and other places, and were already there with overwhelming force.

        And because of that, some people were arrested, and some tear-gassed, but no one was seriously injured. And the rest of the protest was allowed to keep going on, peacefully.

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      2. Looks like a comment I made was lost. Either yet another screw up with my handle/email, or it was a little too incendiary.

        Basically, it involved classifying police departments into riot permitting and riot preventing. And some cynical comments about the degree of screw up I expect from the ones trying to prevent riots.

        1. You have to prepare for riots with recruiting and training well before the actual riot. 2. A police force necessarily has a maximum crowd size that they can safely and humanely disperse. Whether humanely is by Emerald’s standards, with a smaller crowd size, or mine, which becomes very large when I consider methods that most would classify as well outside of the bounds of sane. 3. National Guard crowd dispersal is necessarily rougher then the minimum level of roughness which is theoretically possible for police departments to achieve. National Guard may be expected to be too busy to help out cities with less serious riot problems. 4. ‘One riot, one ranger’ is in theory possible, but is seriously risky, and may be more Mountie/Texas Ranger hype than something a police department can do. 5. A genuinely peaceful protest that is growing, and approaching the size threshold you feel you can safely disperse is a dilemma if you are the one calling the shots. 6. I didn’t realize how the runner implication of organized logistics might look to the one calling the shots when I first responded to KohakuRyu.

        I am a profoundly horrible person, bad responding quickly to sudden events, and, thank The Lord, am not a policeman. ‘Arrest the people running water, and break it up now’ versus ‘maybe having to shoot a bunch of people later’ would have me mighty tempted to pick the first option. And maybe it would be the right option, and I would not realize it in time.

        I have no idea what is going on. There is little enough that I can do right away that I can afford wait long enough, and figure things out before I do act.

        If the cops really did shoot that one lady, then their defense of ‘we haven’t used those in twenty years’ will not hold up when their documentation of equipment inventory is inspected.

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      3. You have to prepare for riots with recruiting and training well before the actual riot.

        Minneapolis and Seattle (proper, although some of the little cities near have the same issue) share a major problem– the chain has no loyalty to their cops, so they are passively selecting for the cops justifiably believing that they are on their own. If they’re beaten into a pulp and put in the hospital, there’s a 50/50 chance that if they survive, they’ll be hung out to dry, depending on the accusations thrown at them.

        That is why it’s a dark joke that Seattle cops will shoot you dead in a heartbeat. Because people seldom are willing to risk it all just to be betrayed– they’ll tend to avoid confronting danger when possible, and when they can’t avoid it….

        *shudder*

        There’s still a lot of idealistic folks, but the ones who don’t get jaded tend to find a reason to be hired elsewhere before retirement.

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      4. This seems like a good time to remember Niven’s Laws from his Known Space series. (He’s come up with a lot of laws.)

        1A. Never throw s**t at an armed man.

        1B. Never stand next to anyone throwing s**t at an armed man.

        Now, the problem is that we live in an Internet/broadcast society. So, even if you yourself and everyone at a protest are doing peaceful and passive stuff, you are figuratively standing next to every other protester in the entire world.

        So if Antifa is stockpiling and then throwing water bottles at their daytime protests (or a large proportion of them), Antifa is telling the entire world and every police/military person that water bottles on sunny days are weaponry.

        Now, of course they don’t care what happens to your cousin. Causing this kind of injustice and mistrust to happen is what they want. Radicalizing your cousin or you or anyone else, over this kind of injustice, is one of their main goals. They want people to get shot, arrested, and you name it.

        So the unfair consequence is that peaceful protestors are going to have to keep on top of Antifa provocations, even if those provocations are happening somewhere thousands of miles away.

        Good luck to your cousin. I mean that seriously. Sometimes the only way to peacefully protest is to get the heck off the streets, given these constraints.

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    3. a) Decent chance that journalist with the eye strike was not actually shot by police. Remember, there is a very good chance that the initial shots at Kent State were from some agent provocateur. If the same organizations involved in Kent state are still around, we might expect the same MO. Expect that pregnant women will be shot, and blamed on police/army.
      b) Recent antifa history of violence against journalists when they don’t like being filmed suggests willingness to escalate in that direction.
      c) The use of force you describe isn’t fixed bayonets, or what Mundus and Belisarius did at Justinian’s instruction. Considering that 1) rioters in some locations have started fires, and apparently interfered with emergency services putting them out 2) that police departments that haven’t been ordered to permit the rioters don’t want them reaching that point in there jurisdiction, some jurisdictions are going to be aggressive at dispersing crowds. Considering the risks now in not putting down a potential riot hard, what you describe may have actually been pretty reasonable. They didn’t club him, and last I heard clubbing was part of the best modern doctrine for reasonable serious riot troops. (I’m generally sympathetic to the Revolutionary cause, but suspect that the Boston Massacre was a legitimate use of force.)
      d) And the Covid lockdown was not already trampling first amendment rights?

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    4. I mentioned in the previous thread, that group that I encountered… They called their plans for how to injure police a “peaceful protest”, because they had defined police as non-people, and “peaceful” not as “not being violent” but instead as “actions that work towards what we deem to be ‘peace’ in the end”. If the end-result is “peace, because everyone else is dead”, they deemed “the act of killing everyone” that would be used to get there “peaceful, because of the results in the end”. If a member of the police was injured or murdered, they defined that as “peaceful, because the police would prevent our desired end-point, so getting rid of them is increasing peace”. There’s a good reason I said it was scary listening to them.

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      1. Sounds like a scrambled translation of the old Soviet ideas about “mir.” Mir in Russian meant world, and peace, so global world domination was peaceful, and eliminating all opposition by shooting them was peaceful.

        (Of course that wasn’t how the Russian word developed or was supposed to work, but that’s how it worked in the USSR.)

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    5. Without more detail than would be prudent for you to offer online– city, etc– it’s hard to respond.

      However.

      I have repeatedly seen people report a thing as a “peaceful protest” when the group is forcibly detaining people, throwing things, or attempting to physically drag people around.

      Because the specific group that the person talking was there with, wasn’t physically assaulting anybody. They might be trapping people in their vehicles, but it’s not like they’re violent, the violence is the guys who used them having stopped the vehicle to drag the driver out and beat him, or used the horse trailer being slowed to throw flammables in the back and maim the horses.

      There’s a reason that people talking about “standing with” people whom they support– because if you’re standing next to the guy doing the thing, and do nothing, you’re complicit.

      Contrast the gal with the bat, who got cover-fire for her attack, with the multiple attempts elsewhere that someone tried something the guys on either side hit him over the head and dragged to the cops. There’s an entire genera of false-flag infiltrators at non-progressive events being turned on and mocked by the people they’re attempting to slander.

      I also remember various press agents giving active cover to people assaulting police, bystanders and reporters who were reporting on that which they didn’t want seen– so until I see video, with context, I am not believing the claims.

      That is the fruit of bad behavior. There have been false claims, insanely false claims, claims which they whole-heartedly supported right up until the evidence to counter it was undeniable and then the entire thing vanished– it’s so common that I do not trust claims sourced only from the accusers. (Anybody remember the claim about the oil line activist where they said she’d had her hand blown off with a grenade thrown by cops– turns out it was a propane bomb, and she’d previously been repeatedly arrested for throwing them, elsewhere? Got really dang quiet after that.)

      Most likely, they were doing something stupid, like standing right next to the guy throwing rocks, and got hurt.

      Like the (blanker) idiots who decided to stand in the middle of the DC mob while the police are telling them to disperse, and then got upset when the police didn’t move around them.
      When you stand IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOB, you’re going to be treated as part of the mob.

      Being a reporter doesn’t give you magical powers, nor does it mean that you’re not going to be treated like everybody else around you. That is why investigative reporters get so much respect– because by choosing to put themselves in the middle of the action, they are deliberately putting themselves at risk of being caught in the action.

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      1. Of course, more people might get that point about reporters if the book “Soldier, ask not” (from the Childe Cycle by Gordon Dickson) was required reading. It does a very good job of showing both the lie about bias (the thought that it is even theoretically possible, let alone that anyone with enough interest in anything to go to the effort of “doing the thing right” could be unbiased), and of showing how reporters are especially in the category of those who really shouldn’t be trusted not to be manipulating things.

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      2. …category of those who really shouldn’t be trusted not to be manipulating things

        Part of the appeal of good reporting is that it clarifies things.
        That requires interpretation– and interpreting things with true fairness is HARD.

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      3. And always includes “by what standard?” and “from what point of view?”. That’s why I said the bit about being truly unbiased being not even theoretically possible). Bias is simply that something is leaning one direction (regardless of whether that’s the right direction or not), and even almost identical definitions of “fairness” can be diametrically opposed (“fair is everyone having the same opportunity” can be “make sure everyone has the same stuff”, or it could be “make sure everyone is allowed the same freedom to do with their stuff”, but to do the first requires preventing the second, and to do the second prevents enforcing the first (tho it doesn’t prevent it from happening by accident)). So yes, “interpreting things with true fairness is HARD” _because_ “fairness” is not absolute (so it’s trying to do the impossible). At least for us mortals.

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    6. After a few minutes of thought, I found myself having a WTF reaction.

      And fairness is only requiring a less stringent response because it isn’t entirely clear when the friend was last collecting information prior to attending the protest. If attendance was Sunday, that is easily enough time to have worked out what the pattern of the riots is.

      Being that the riots with the arsons are being done with coordination and logistics, anyone at a protest that looks like they are coordinating or running logistics is going to be a target for arrest.

      Running water might not be serious coordination and logistics, but it will look pretty similar to an outside observer.

      How the hockeysticks does someone make the choice to protest without having done the due diligence to figure out that running water, in the current conditions, has a good chance to get you arrested, with a bail set? Are they stupid? Are they feckless? How do they manage to tie their own shoes? How do they avoid wandering out into busy traffic?

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      1. Not everybody pays attention to the right parts of the news, or draws the correct conclusions.

        “Bringing people water bottles” is a long-established action that is supposed to mean “I am a good person” in a lot of different social contexts. So of course some people won’t think twice about it.

        Now, anyone organizing a protest should be thinking twice about it, and protecting their people. But again, not everybody does.

        That said, there’s a reason why we have the phrase “useful idiot.” A lot of causes (primarily but not all leftist) deliberately treat a large proportion of their supporters as cannon fodder. They keep these people in the dark, pooh pooh any concerns, and gaslight them if they figure anything out. And then they make sure those innocent enthusiastic people are the ones who get hurt, arrested, etc.

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      2. The other thing that happens is that X group either regards itself as the Inner Circle of Leaders, or has an inner circle that believes different/more radical stuff than the rest of the actual group.

        The Inner Circle knows that other groups don’t agree with them in full, so that other group becomes an acceptable victim or bait group, and they deliberately set them up. They also know that their own group contains impure or overly moderate people, so it’s totally okay to use those people however they want, until they convert.

        But if the cannon fodder does convert to full radical status, then obviously it’s even more okay to use them as heroic cannon fodder for the cause!

        See, the whole idea is that the True Inner Circle of Leaders is so visionary and wise that they should never, ever risk themselves, because the cause can’t possibly survive without them.

        The flipside is that a lot of infighting in upper middle management starts to take place, because obviously you’re not safe if you’re not in the Inner Circle, and the easiest way to get in there is to get rid of current Inner Circle members. And you also need to get rid of competitors on the same level as yourself, so all the other competent middle managers have to go.

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    7. You might find this of interest.

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/minnesota-new-york-officials-say-evidence-shows-weekend-riots-were-planned-chicago-demands-fed-investigation-into-organized-violence

      “Before the protests began, organizers of certain anarchists groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police,” Miller said, per NBC New York. “They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities.”

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      1. Unfortunately, Uncle Hugo’s was apparently in one of those “good areas” on the fringe of “bad areas.” And the bad area in question was Little Mogadishu. (To be fair, that neighborhood wasn’t Little Mogadishu when the bookstore moved into a larger store location. But now it is, and Little Mogadishu was very big on looting and burning things this week.)

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  3. I feel so sorry for George Floyd. Obviously because of what happened to him (definitely praying for his repose and for justice), but also because he is being used as the excuse for these atrocities. “An apparently decent guy was unjustly killed, so this legitimizes us going out and wrecking other people’s lives and livelihoods.” Gotta love the logic.

    …That last bit was sarcasm, by they way.

    Although I’m surprised it took this long, considering the rising tensions due to lockdown. I admit I have made a lifelong habit of typically avoiding the news, but there seems to havebeen a steady uptick in the past few years in mob violence or at least threats thereof. Every time the fires die down, the overall tension’s always just a little bit higher. At this point I’m wondering when we get an inferno we can’t put out. This article in particular, written almost two years ago now, really sobers me when I reread it in light of current events. https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/?appeal_code=MK1018EM5&utm_campaign=imprimis&utm_source=housefile&utm_medium=email&utm_content=october2018coldcivilwar&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8l7TuM1533dHc8tOg04fUZuGr-s1Vsfo8EFkTMH1opQSsr-fx5rKMmBorUNH5qK0qHmKqi7twwdhfzH5iIbVebw68qPw&_hsmi=66953632

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    1. What happened to George Floyd was wrong. Manslaughter, at the very least. All the cops involved should be arrested, charged, and prosecuted. That first, at least, has already happened.

      But current protesters in Minneapolis are demanding as part of their “justice”, among other things, the release of Noor – the ex-officer who killed a woman who’d called him to report a possible crime in progress. As you said, the lack of logic is astounding.

      And yes. You can check out PJ Media, Red State, and a bunch of other sites – those of a progressive bent have been steadily turning up the heat for years.

      To quote George Orwell; “So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.”

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      1. As you said, the lack of logic is astounding.

        It’s perfectly logical, it’s just not American.

        Noor is Somali. The woman he killed was blonde. The “protesters” demanding his release are Somali.
        They’d probably have been perfectly happy to kill him, now, if he hadn’t shot the gal and was serving as an honorable officer– but he isn’t, so they’re demanding him.

        It’s tribal, not justice.

        Same way that folks were upset, but not violent, when it took over half a year for Noor to be arrested when he shot the woman who was walking up to talk to the cops responding to the call she had just made. Same way that there’s photos of protest signs I’m still not sure isn’t a Poe, claiming that white privileges means stuff like not having to be afraid that you’ll be killed when out jogging, or at the store, or… like “white” people are never killed.

        Racism is terrifying. Actual racism, as in hating people because of their ancestry, not the ‘didn’t do what someone who claims to speak for a sub-group wanted’ racism.

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      2. I figured it was something like that. Strange, how the mainstream media neglects to mention these little details and you have to ferret them out online… often from the pictures the media themselves could easily take if they cared.

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      3. What they’ll never, ever admit, not while the legacy media dominates the airwaves and defines the Overton Window, is that the general penumbra summarized as ‘right-wing Americans’ is about as non-racist ‘judge a person by the content of their character’ as any demographic of humanity has ever gotten.

        (Given that it’s a demographic of tens of millions, there are of course exceptions.)

        Also, the ‘minority victims’ are led by hustlers like Jesse Jackson, and the last thing a man like him wants is to be judged by his character. (Not that MLK was all that much better, given how he treated the women he had access to.) So continue to expect the race card to get played, and continue to expect them to project their racism and hatred onto the people they want to make victims of.

        -Albert

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      4. Heh. I was required to write a report on MLK in high school, and found some of those details on how he – ahem – did not honor his marital and ministerial vows.

        While the report was graded well for writing, I was rather strictly told this was Not To Be Done Again. *Dry* Funny, that. They asked me to be thorough….

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    2. I admit I have made a lifelong habit of typically avoiding the news, but there seems to havebeen a steady uptick in the past few years in mob violence or at least threats thereof.

      You’re not the only one to notice– there’s a book by my bed right now about history rhyming with the late 60s, and it’s at least two years old.

      Hell, there are non-crazy (in how they’re treated by the mainstream) activists yelling about how they WANT a summer of 68 with riots and such.

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      1. The flag-bearers literally named themselves after one of the violent mobs that got liquidated or assimilated into the Nazis.
        Irony is, apparently, not their thing.

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      2. “Why do people like this always think the mob won’t destroy them when it gets bored?”

        Yeah, that’s a question I’ve been asking myself for years now, about riots and various other kinds of oppression. The people who encourage this kind of thing never, ever seem to realize that once the infrastructure is sufficiently destroyed, they’re going to be just as bad off as the people at whom they were aiming the destruction. Being rich–as the agitators often are, I don’t mean to imply a general correlation between money and oppressive tendencies–does not help when there is nothing left to buy.

        Just generally? I get that what happened to George Floyd was abominable. Absolutely punish the people involved. But the moment people decide one injustice is justification for attacking people who were _not_ involved… that’s the moment they lose any trace of moral high ground.

        tldr: I don’t like rioters. Rioting, in my experience, is never about “justice”, it’s about an excuse to wreak havoc under cover of “justice”. Stealing $2 million in Rolex watches has nothing to do with bringing down a few corrupt cops.

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      3. I can’t help but wonder how many of these people “sympathetic to the protesters’ cause” have ever been caught as the target of a mob.

        I’m betting none of them. Or they’d never have the courage to leave the house again.

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      4. I was living in Guatemala when the guerrillas finally signed a treaty with the government. I still remember mom bringing us kids inside when the guerrillas were driving their cars around the area, with loudspeakers blaring about how the “evil gringos” were “stealing children for organ harvesting” and other such stuff. I also remember that what finally ended the guerrillas, was when they started becoming careless in turning on the people, and the people stopped protecting them. (it’s interesting examining the difference in how the guerrillas acted, depending on who was backing and training them at the time)

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      5. Remember when a couple of hundred yahoos marched with tiki torches, and that was held to be a major dyscivic event?

        The racists on the right need to step up their game, if they want to hurt minorities as much as the racists on the left do.

        -Albert

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      6. The racists on the right need to step up their game, if they want to hurt minorities as much as the racists on the left do.

        I still rejection the idea that some nutbag who was big on gun-control, supported Occupy Wallstreet, big Obama supporter and became a neo-national socialist is somehow on “the right” just because some idiots on TV said so.
        Those morons never even mentioned the Westboro Baptist Church guy was a lefty activist before he started the “taunt folks into attacking us so we can sue them” racket.

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  4. I must admit, i am lost. What does racial tension and rioting because of police brutality have to do with masks?
    And how are a few words from politicians an incentive for getting tear gassed?
    Do rioters in America listen to politicians?
    Is am sorry, but I am honestly confused.

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    1. In the US, we have spent two or three months where people innocent of any crime and not known to be infected are not allowed to travel anywhere because of groups of people being a risk for spreading infection. Now, inside a few days in the exact same states and cities who were most fiercely imposing the lockdown, it is fine for crowds to protest and to riot simply because of ‘anger’. These same politicians have instructed police under their control not to resist the rioters. It is a double standard, that makes it clear that they were not truly concerned about COVID 19 when they were telling us to comply with the lockdown. And said lockdown was a violation of the first amendment. The first ten amendments are among the ones concerning rights which we are most irritable about being violated. So it is an act that could not be better calculated to offend the cultural sensibilities of Americans.

      I could not give you a good analogy without understanding more about your own cultural taboos. One analogy is how the Qing dynasty was putting people to death because of the Han rebellions against being forced to shave part of their heads. The Han culture at the time was strongly opposed to that act, felt that it was profoundly immoral.

      As for why the video of George Floyd’s death resulted in such protests, there are dueling narratives going back over several years of events. 1. The first is that cases of violence publicized by the Black Lives Matter organization, as publicized by that organization, are representative of a tendency by police organization to be selectively brutal along racial lines. If the police are behaving this way, it is either a) a profound violation of the cultural consensus that makes peace possible in America or b) a conspiracy by whites that must be coerced into ending. Various protests and riots have occurred in pursuit of one of those theories in attempts to get the improper killings to cease. 2. The conflicting narrative argues that the examples are not representative, and not fairly publicized. It furthermore argues that the riots are heavily stage managed, and are carried out by people who are only willing to do so when politicians have promised to prevent the cops from stopping them. This school of thought believes that the whites showing up at the current riots are Anti-Fa behaving in the normal Anti-Fa way. The other school of thought, last I heard, was claiming that the whites were false flags and ideologically white supremacist.

      So, it comes down to two possible conflicting explanations of the connection between the lockdown, and the mask rules, and the current protests and riots. The first is that the lockdown was politically expedient for the sake of the 2020 election, and the riots were set up for that same political expedience by the same people. The kids of some of these lockdown politicians being arrested while rioting is evidence in favor of the first hypothesis. The second hypothesis is that the lockdown has eaten away at the patience Americans have, and all of the riots were actually spontaneous.

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      1. Okay, not being allowed to travel ‘anywhere’ is hyperbole, and is not helpful when trying to communicate across cultural differences.

        I’ve been short on writing success these past couple months, because I have not been able to go to my usual writing spots. I’ve gone from staying home, visiting a few buildings, and maybe going out walking to staying home, and maybe going out walking. It isn’t entirely my governor’s doing, but the governor has contributed to another organization making such choice.

        I am having a really, really difficult time with the lockdown. And I’m mad at the leadership of that organization anyway, for reasons that I am not willing to discuss on the internet. That means I am very much not happy hearing it piously lecture me on racial violence, simply because it is fashionable now to piously lecture on this stuff. In fairness, I have to give them some credit for not being willing to try to burn this town down.

        I’m certain it is not impossible to cover up a campaign of violence and racial terrorism. I have known from history that it is possible from my mid teens. So, my examination of the ‘police racial violence’ theory does not assume it should be considered implausible.

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      2. Add in, ‘Black Lives Matter is being honest and representative’ is a testable hypothesis.

        There’s a website, legalinsurrection dot com, which has some coverage of interesting legal cases. When I was reading it heavily, there were two kinds of coverage relevant to this. Cases of clear cut police abuse, which BLM was not covering. Cases which BLM was covering, which provided a different selection of details than BLM had provided.

        My impression at the time was that there were absolutely cops committing crimes. And being arrested, and sent to jail without a single word from BLM, because speaking out on those cases did not serve BLM’s purpose.

        The US is on the order of 300 million people. If the ratio of cops is 1 in 200, that is hundreds of thousands of cops. You can know what the cops in a small town are like, or in a low population county, by knowing them personally. What cops are like in aggregate across the US requires making some assumptions and trying to figure out if any statistical data is reliable. And guesses about who you can trust to help, because there are so many records of police shootings, and records of crimes that a person could spend their whole life reading them, and not have a complete picture.

        Okay, Foxfier and suburbanshee have interests in that direction, have probably read enough to have a pretty good picture, and I am inclined to trust their opinions. But it is precisely when things are most difficult that it becomes very important for me to be careful about what /I/ actually know to be true. This is why I’ve tried to be scrupulous about presenting the different perspectives on what has occurred.

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    2. See Satoyama’s reply. Add to that people who have lost months of income are now seeing what’s left of their businesses destroyed by fire. And contrary to what a lot of the protesters seem to believe, no, insurance does not pay out if your business is burned down by a mob. That’s considered a civil insurrection, as opposed to just regular arson.

      As in first the politicians kept people from earning a living with the lockdown, and now because of their refusal to control the riots, they’re ruining even more people.

      Which leads to the obvious conclusion that ruining people was the point all along.

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      1. Plus, in a city which is minority majority, one would expect a lot of minority owned small businesses.

        Those of us from the south who are familiar with the history of white supremacist terrorism know that some of the riots were directed against wealthy minority neighborhoods, and that minorities within those cities didn’t recover for decades, or maybe not ever. Maybe there are grounds to argue recovery for the hundred years ago riots, I do not know. The 1960s riots had some pretty lasting effects, though the ones I can think of were up North.

        There are whites who think that white supremacist terrorism was a bad idea*. Those whites are looking at this, the minority business owners burned out, and wondering. How the futhark is this any different than the bad old days? At the most charitable, you reach for the Kuroko headdesk GIF. Less charitably, why shouldn’t we consider anti-fa a white supremacist terrorist organization? Rich white kids and young professionals torching poor black neighborhoods is horrific optics.

        The politicians who find this crap expedient are bad people.

        *Given the number of whites in America, if any whites were significantly willing to spend their lives in support of white supremacist terrorism, we would be expect a lot of incidents which do not seem to be occurring. The balance of opinion appears to oppose white supremacist terrorism, but that conclusion is much weaker.

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  5. Eurgh… Reading all this, I’m kinda happy to live where I live. “Thankfully” Czech people are used to these things, so aside from lot of cursing, there’s no danger-by-mob or fire. Or anything other then losing job…
    I don’t think I can understand what’s happening in America. Way different place, rules and mindset. But I really hope it calms down soon! For you! Just reading it feels horrible…

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    1. Thing is, the US is a very safe place in a lot of ways, so we get really pissy about minor things.

      Look at how long Europe tolerated the Barbary pirates, because they thought the situation was one they could not really change. A lot of Americans assume that they can change anything that is a problem.

      A population in one place for a long time, or that has only moved by tribal migration, has a shared oral history that can go back very far. Soviet rule is obviously still living memory for Czechs. (People are still alive who experienced it.) I’m afraid I don’t know Czech history well enough to know if Mongols, Turkish invasions, and so forth would be in the very long term oral history. I’m not sure if, say, the Serbs, Slovenes and Romanians are close enough neighbors to have been remembered.

      Due to the way America was settled, a lot of that oral history was lost. The American sense of deep oral history basically starts with those first generation colonists. Forex, one of the major influences on US culture was English culture. English culture had some very strongly entrenched dislike of the Catholic church due to some hundreds of years of political differences. Dislike of the Catholic church was not anywhere as strongly entrenched in the American Protestant tradition. Okay, a lot of people will not find that a very strong example, but that and the English-Welsh, English-Scots, and English-Irish rivalries were not as extreme as in the old world. Though English-Irish is again a very weak example, as Irish immigrants once tried to invade Canada.

      If you are looking for trauma embedded in American oral history, generally, there is basically the American Civil War. The Revolutionary War was a serious formative war, but the third of the population that lost was not massacred. They were encouraged to leave, and pretty much moved to Canada. WWI and WWII were much less traumatic for the US than they were for Europe. The American WW experience has a sense of “they were annoying, so we went there and educated them on behaving like civilized men”.

      African-American oral history is similar to the broader American oral history in that the old world grudges were pretty much not preserved. But their oral history ingrained some lessons that were not ingrained in the whites of my father’s generation. The leadership of the antebellum South was terrified of slave rebellions. So they had a deliberate policy of terror, of killing those who resisted beyond a certain point. The survivors were ones who had chosen to knuckle under to some degree. That may still be preserved as a lesson that if you put up too much of a fight, you will be made to regret it. Second is the lesson, post-bellum, of the experience of the period where publicly, compliance with the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments was claim, but privately and in practice there was cheating by fraud. These lessons are directly contrary to the lessons that tend to be drawn from the broader American culture’s oral history. The broader culture’s lessons include ‘if you care enough you can fight and win’, and ‘you can trust bargains with other people’. So modern African-Americans have the problem of sorting out which answers are the true ones.

      Pretty obviously, “resist and you and your family will be tortured to death” is no longer entirely true. Because there are African-Americans who are behaving in ways that would not have been tolerated in the Old South, and they are still alive, and so are their families. Also, if it was entirely true, incidents where blacks are killed would not be at all newsworthy. “How true is it” and “why is it no longer entirely true” are questions without consensus answers. And it would be profoundly stupid to trust a white man claiming that it is not true at all, because white men have successfully carried out profoundly false propaganda campaigns of that sort before.

      This is running headlong into a different sort of traumatic lesson in American oral history. A lot of countries were taken over by the communists during the Cold War. Which implies very many refugees. Let’s use Czech and Hmong as an example. If you grow up white or Asian within American culture, you are likely to believe that trust is possible with Czech or Hmong immigrants. This means a huge difference in oral culture between academic Americans and non-academic Americans. Academic Americans only really trust immigrants who are also academics, who share the same intellectual blinders. Non-Academic Americans spent the whole Cold War learning about what the communists did from their refugeee neighbors, fighting the communists overseas, and growing up expecting to die fighting the communists, or murdered if the communists took over. Also, being condescended to by the academic Americans, who may have fancy intellectual skills, but are at most the equals of non-academic Americans. The two cultures have vastly different takes on communists, what communist countries are actually like, and the promise that come the revolution the academics will be telling the rest of us what to do.

      The academic study of American history is aware of ‘blacks were treated horribly’, but completely ignores the academic/non-academic split in consensus. Arguments that work in the academic environment are stupidly blind in a broader environment where your friends are not gate keeping the ‘most important journals in the field’.

      So, Black Lives Matter having so many ties to communists is not going to work out well. But that does not mean that any faction is willing to spend the lives it would take to carry out a mass murder.

      Decent chance that the riots will get shut down relatively peacefully, and lawsuits will be sufficient to prevent re-occurrence. See, the designation as a terrorist organization stuff may well be overhyped where antifa is concerned. But, there have been a lot of arsons, and pretty strong evidence of conspiracy in support of those. Which may bring RICO into play. The degree of economic damage will mean that quite a few people will probably have standing to file civil suits under RICO. If some of the people involved get taken to bankruptcy by court, future politicians may decide it is not so expedient after all.

      We Americans are all talking a serious game right now. But, partly because of the ACW, Americans are the opponent Americans take most seriously. Again, per capita Americans killed more Americans during the ACW than Nazis and Japanese killed Americans during WWII. We beat the Nazis and the Japanese, and many of us are confident that we could do it again. Some of us are quite eager to fight the Russians, the Chinese, etc., and finish all the unsettled business so that we can move on with our lives. We were extremely fortunate that an end to the fighting was forced last civil war, and we might not be lucky a second time. So we are looking for peaceful alternatives to a second civil war, so long as they do not come at the cost of accepting current events as the new normal.

      I do not have answers. A lot of the information you might be attempting to judge from is propaganda, or is missing important cultural context. I suggest waiting before getting too concerned about what is going on the US. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to work on getting your own governments in better order, so that you can grow enough food to minimize starvation if it does get really dysfunctional in the US.

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  6. It would be _really bad_ for us to act like Alinsky-ites, Muslim terrorists, and other leftists to force the legacy media to respect Christians and Jews. Not only would we completely lose in the sphere of public perception, due to the Overton Window having been controlled by the tools of the Lord of Lies for so many decades, but we’d have to abandon the morality required by Jehovah (incarnate or not) to be considered HIs as well.

    To be beloved of Him, we have to accept being hated by perdition and those who seek after the prince of this world.

    That said, martial law is a thing and looters should be shot on sight. Welsh law regarding horse thieves, same logic.

    -Albert

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  7. I’m not going to comment one way or the other on this entire mess since that will just get somebody angrier and honestly I don’t want to make the situation any worse.

    As it is I sincerely hope that everyone here that lives in the USA manages to get through this alive and intact.

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  8. My Dad helped our local cops guard our town last night with a couple hundred others, and he said that there were two cars with upside down, mutilated, and graffitied American flags going by, his assumption being that if the cops and locals had not been guarding our town it would have been bad. The first car went by before they could react, but some of the rougher elements guarding the town did go and rescue the flag and act threatening to the second car, but restricted themselves to verbal assault and taking the flag, so the cops just kept an eye on it and requested vehicle backup that didn’t arrive before the guys backed off.

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  9. I’ve been meaning to ask you this for some time: what is your opinion of desensitization therapy for autism? It’s why I’m able to have stuff touch my hands. It consisted of having me touch as many as different textures as possible. My mother even listed examples recently. Unfortunately, all I remember out of are bread dough and sand, neither of which belong on your face.

    It’s also called the sensory diet. At least, that’s what it was called in the 80’s and 90’s. I wouldn’t want to get in the way of a successful Google search.

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    1. I have not experienced it as a therapy, so I have no opinion on it as a therapy.

      I was forced to touch anything my parents wanted me to handle. Many times things an experienced vet-tech would have had gloves for. Don’t get me started on that. Just don’t.

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    2. There’s several things about autism and the strategies for dealing with it, like that one you just mentioned, that have some experts saying “oh, this works great”, and others saying “this doesn’t work at all”. And the experts are usually _very_ strident in their claims that only the one extreme is true, and the experts claiming the other side don’t know what they’re talking about. My own experience and from those autists I’ve know as part of the support groups I’ve been in, is that it depends on the individual autist and that both extremes are true but there isn’t much in the middle.

      As an example, my sister cannot handle crowds, while I can, and the basic reason is simple: While we both have the standard autist features of missing background filter and lowered sensory thresholds, which means we here everything in the crowd, my sister can’t separate sources for processing (so each additional speaker just makes things more garbled for her), while I can separate sources for processing (I simultaneously but separately listen to each conversation, merely slowing down my processing for each additional speaker I’m listening to). And from my experience with other autists, this division seems to be about 50/50.

      As for texture/feeling specifically, there’s several different causes of autists having trouble with it, and thus several different solutions (or lack thereof). For some autists, the problem with textures is related to the problem I described with my sister’s hearing: they can’t separate sources in their processing, so textures with more “noise”/detail can simply be overwhelming. That type can have some limited success in being able to handle different textures, but only within the limits of “not overwhelming them” (limit other sources of sensory input, _then_ train them to not reject the texture you’re trying to get them to accept). Others have other reasons, like me having synesthesia (I don’t like modern laptop keyboards because they feel “slimy” to me, and training won’t change what it _feels_ like, and it’s just my dislike of the feeling that makes me avoid it).

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      1. You could take keys off a keyboard, glue on sand grains or something else traction-y on their typing surfaces, and then use the keyboard that way.

        Old keyboards for desktop computers are cheap, so you could experiment on some five or ten dollar keyboard and see what you like.

        Of course, if it’s the keyboard action that you don’t like, you might be able to get a clicky Bluetooth keyboard for gaming, people trained on mechanical keyboards, etc.

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      2. It’s mostly the action that feels “slimy”, so yes, I need the clicky-type keyboards (tho the particular plastic used sure doesn’t help). But it wasn’t really important, since I only have a desktop right now, and was only using that as an easy example that it might be multiple factors causing problems with “texture”, and that “training” isn’t always a solution (or not in the same way, at least). The specific details didn’t matter as much for this particular example. That said, I have considered having some fun doing one of those fancy keyboard refits just for fun.

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