Current Events: Trouble Brewing

I’ve been trying to limit watching the news lately. Even so… what’s been going on lately

echoes too much of history for me to sleep soundly. Much too much.

Maybe I’ve read too much history. Maybe I’m still twitchy from the local mobs and protests and the contempt for average people made visible by the whole Skanska mess with the Three Mile Bridge. Maybe.

But I have a sinking feeling I’m not. And I’m far from the only one.

What do we do about it? I’m not sure. I suspect whatever I plan or aim for will be overtaken by the mass of Very Angry People out there. So the first thing I’m doing is getting myself and those I care about into a position to take care of ourselves.

And keeping an ear to the ground. Here’s just a few things that made me twitch yesterday.

“The Democrats are planning to destroy their political opponents. History teaches that their plans to enact scorched earth against people already aggrieved will only radicalize half the population.”

State of California—Health and Human Services Agency California Department of Public Health

“Except in connection with essential travel, Californians should avoid non-essential travel to any part of California more than 120 miles from one’s place of residence, or to other states or countries.”

“We understand the desire to permanently suspend him now, but it should concern everyone when companies like Facebook and Twitter wield the unchecked power to remove people from platforms that have become indispensable for the speech of billions — especially when political realities make those decisions easier,” said Kate Ruane, ACLU senior legislative counsel, in a statement.

“Beforehand, these social media platforms had held their fire somewhat out of fear that the Republicans would change their special tax status exemptions that define them as open platforms, not publishers. No longer. Their desire to silence their opponents can now swing into high gear, and they are pushing it for all it is worth, including attempting to silence their direct competitors, such as Parler, a twitter-like platform that prides itself on censoring no one.”

Conservative #WalkAway Facebook page removed along with hundreds of thousands of videos and followers

ABC News Executive Calls for ‘Cleansing’ the Trump Movement From America

“The media are cheering on the lists of Trump supporters being amassed by the Left in order to cancel them and keep them off of boards of directors, academia, and other institutions. A Leftist website with the Orwellian name “The Truth Accountability Project” has answered the call of the Jennifer Rubins and AOCs to keep a list of those who must be purged from history.”

…And the progressives say they want “unity and healing”. Riiiiiight.

Keep your wits about you, keep your head together. No one knows what’s going to happen next.

90 thoughts on “Current Events: Trouble Brewing

  1. We can hope they do the usual internal purges before they get to acting on their prior public statements about purging their “enemies”, and discover how rickety their alliance is…..

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      1. Have been.

        Will keep doing.

        Reminding myself that the US is in an especially good position, exactly because by long tradition and existing material ability, the monopoly of force is a matter of courtesy, not fact. Limits the damage that bad actors can do.

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  2. ” lets talk about being open, progressive and modern, right after we dispose of that group of people who disagrees with us alot”
    this thing is not nearly as rare as we want it to be

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  3. Yeah, you all are a lot more optimistic than I am.

    The courts have been worse than useless with Big Tech using Section 230 as an excuse to dismiss any case that comes before them so they don’t have to bother with it leading to them essentially taking over the country and they’ve aligned themselves with The Establishment Oligarchs.

    The Republic’s an Oligarchy now, and there’s not enough public support for the kind of action needed to displace the people that have taken it over. After the Embarrassment was the Trump Election, they got their shit together and now there’s never going to be something like Trump again if they can help it and with the excuse of Covid-19, they’ve seized power like never before and they’re never going to give it back. We’ve just got to adjust to living in a world where we don’t even have the illusion of freedoms that aren’t granted by the government any longer.

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    1. Nah. Not optimism,

      I’ve been gaming stuff like this out for most of my adult life. Albeit as a hobbyist.

      The worldbuilding/societal background of my Fairy Dance replacement was inspired by sensing a little of what was going on as I processed the 2018 cycle.

      Now we /know/, even if it wound up being far worse than imagined.

      This week, I’ve woken up in the middle of the night convinced that it was a mistake for me to be still alive. As in a failure of judgement, and of character. Recalculating after calming down, and catching more sleep, the criticism wasn’t sound.

      There are three reasons for hope. a) They are trying to information war us. If there was really nothing we can do, they would not be so considered about the information campaign. They have uncertainties about their position. b) Opposition command is either domestic madmen, or the PRC. (From a domestic perspective, the smart move would have been to accept the loss in order to preserve the secrecy of the fraud. The fraud had been an open secret, but only suspected, and the forces which preserved the fraud had some points to what they were arguing.) Domestic madmen or the PRC are going to break things, instead of preserving things at a miserable level that still functions. c) The United States is big, has had problems before, and ultimately you can control the decisions you make. Maintain or improve your resolve to die free. “How we burned in the camps…”

      There have been times in American history, or in world history where an individual’s position simply sucked. Standing for the cause does not mean physical victory in this world.

      There’s reason to think the odds are actually quite favorable, but make your own plans, and play the game out till the end.

      “Don’t give up the ship. Fight her till she sinks.”

      A complex society is always more fragile than it looks. Entropy always acts, so maintenance takes constant effort from very many people, and this means that there is always a bunch of small changes occurring. Opposition policy treats society as static, except where the powers that be make deliberate changes, but this only even looks plausible in certain circumstances. We started out in a period of flux that would have wiped out the old political and policy calculus, and now it looks very much like we are going into a second American civil war.

      The ‘government rules easily and forever’ is a static model that does not pay attention to entropy. Part of why Winnie the Pooh is tapdancing so energetically is that he is having trouble staying on top of things in China. Marxism-Leninism Xi Jinping thought purports to be a way to combine totalitarianism with being a country that can make technology. But totalitarianism needs top down control of information, and that necessarily limits the creativity that will be applied to technical problems. So, free countries making new technology is a problem for the silly old bear. This is less of an issue if there are no free countries, and none of them can innovate worth a hill of beans.

      The trick with a civil war is not that they are hard to start, it is that they are hard to win. ACW I, even as a relentlessly pro-Union Lincoln/Sherman, the difficultly of pulling off the peace afterwards made some regard for Robert Lee appropriate. So for the boogaloo, the big challenge was always peace afterwards, which meant that attention before the war was needed on putting together a victory coalition. So the current situation, while horrible, is probably a significant improvement where the coalition is concerned, and maybe overall.

      But it would frelling suck to be a lawyer or politician now, invested in a legal or political career.

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      1. And this is one of the big reasons people on the conservative side objected to pulling Confederate statues down. The American Civil War to a great extent only ended because, as one writer put it, “The South admitted it was better for the Union to exist, and the North admitted the Rebels had fought bravely and honorably.”

        Those statues were not symbols of slavery. They were damping rods in the nuclear reactor.

        And the progressives pulled them.

        I find this particularly ironic because the progressives like to say they’re for environmentalism and preserving species, and there are so many environmental/ecological arguments about not tampering with complex systems, not popping rivets off an airplane wing in flight, etc.

        Human societies are a very complex system. The progressives just don’t want to hear it. They give their own species not a drop of the respect they claim to have for “environmental complexity”. It’s facepalmingly stupid.

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      2. Frankly, it may have been long enough that the statues were no longer necessary as damping rods.

        But it was a problem that it was the communists pulling them, because they want to destroy the sense of American history, and that they were using racist nutjobbery as an excuse. Because when we didn’t fight for them, the Democrat leadership seems to have decided that we would never fight.

        Applied even handedly, the cancel/remove statues effort would have also done things to offend the modern Democrat Party, like getting rid of JFK’s ‘eternal flame’ monument that is on federal land. But it was purely a weapon used by the Democratic Party, aided and abetted by their Republican collaborators, on behalf of the communists.

        For the last three decades, we have seen the result of the Clintons hollowing out the Democratic Party to make it reflect them. The Clintons came out of the Arkansas Democratic Party in the 1980s. Billy Jeff would have become governor by apprenticing to politicians who had been willing to use white supremacist terrorism for political ends.

        Yeah, one of the things I developed during 2020 was Critical CRT Theory. (CRT is an academic phenomena, and academics basically pay no real attention to community experience. Rather than a voice of poor black experience in America, CRT is the voice of wealthy academics purporting to speak for poor people. None of the academics on American campuses had their places of business burned down last summer.)

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      3. No, trust me. They were necessary. Very necessary. I grew up with people whose grandparents had fought in the Civil War and made sure they told stories about it on one side, while the other side kept sneering at them. My family was a mixed North/South marriage in New England, and because of that (among my other “faults”) I was assumed by my whole hometown to be an automatic racist no matter what.

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      4. >>Frankly, it may have been long enough that the statues were no longer necessary as damping rods. <<

        It wasn't. The liberal elites in the North have NEVER let us in the South forget about slavery or that we were on the losing side of the Civil War. Always subtly, but…well it's there and it's been there for as long as I can remember.

        We probably could have moved the statues into museums and there wouldn't have been more than a bit of grumbling, but removing them outright? No.

        The way they were just torn down though? That's done a lot of damage and with the prevalence of racism and the re-instituting of racial segregation and racial discrimination laws under the guise of "correcting" racism is only going to exacerbate things further.

        I don't think we'll see a resurgence of the KKK or groups like that for a while, but they'll happen eventually. Honestly the success of groups like Black Lives Matter where the underlying message is that Blacks and Minorities NEED to be helped by White People because they can't make it on their own – a restatement of the White Man's Burden which is explicitly a doctrine of White Racial Superiority – boggles my mind, but they are succeeding beyond reason.

        It's one of the several reasons why any faith I had in the Republic is now gone. I don't think we can fix things without a violent revolution and I don't think we're going to have one. I might have retained some faith that the system could still work if it hadn't been for the fact that they did everything in their power to not only deny Trump, but also many American Voters independent of him, their legal and reasonable recourse to investigate perceived irregularities in the voting process and in the process set legal precedent to deny such recourse in the future.

        What is equal parts infuriating and disheartening is that attempts to address the concerns through the proper legal channels were thrown out because there was "no injury" that could have occurred before the elections and afterwards they were thrown out because they'd "waited to long" to bring their concerns before the courts.

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      5. Oh, hell, I hadn’t even considered how many folks we have who escaped this crud-show before….

        Puts it even more on the footing of when all the neighbors attacked Israel and were shocked that a bunch of Holocaust survivors were ready to fight.

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      6. I’d thought before about folks who escaped communism. When the Reds were taking places, a lot of a the refugees came here. Had the effect of concentrating resistance.

        There was a reason the commies weren’t able to take us over during the Cold War, why Carter wasn’t simply able to consolidate.

        There are lots of little fractions of the population that add up to things not being as simple as the media would have you believe.

        BLM is basically tactics such as used by the Democrats during the Tulsa race riots. Hockeysticks, you could even say that the targeting is the same.

        There are three reasons the Democrats have, or will, push it to civil war.

        1) First, with empowering BLM and Anti-Fa, they have a constituency determined to do to the security environment of ordinary whites what the BLM/Anti-Fa/gangsters did to the security environment of inner city blacks. Basic problem is that ordinary Americans were not paying close attention to BLM, and were persuaded precisely because they were accustomed to good security experiences. They wanted everyone to have good security experiences, so BLM’s ‘we need to fix this’ argument was sympathetic, even if they were stupid to believe that BLM’s remedies were anything but evil. Try to make Americans accept a bad security environment, and they will be hardened in trying to restore a good security environment.

        2. Democrats are big spenders, and the economic slow down they will cause is unlikely to be well regarded. Remember, the NSDAP needed to loot Europe to fund their programs, and the USSR and the PRC owed a lot to US charity. Look at the policy goals of the Democrats, and look at the world powers. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are relatively sane, but they are not big enough and together enough to support the US, China, and Europe if all three of the latter dive deep into stupidity at the same time. India has its own problems, but Modi is not as crazy as some folks, so India is probably neutral in this calculation.

        3. These people are not subtle, they are not well regulated, and they do not really understand how Americans think. Jinping is capable of subtly, but has not at all been subtle in trying to rub it in the faces of ordinary Americans. Biden may have once understood Americans, but the dementia has robbed his self-control, and the current him has the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Harris has scarred herself buying power from Brown, and lacks the control not to be vicious to those she has power over. If Harris or Biden had the character and ability to keep factors 1 and 2 from driving Americans to revolt, they would not have let the situation reach this place.

        They are most likely going down by violence, but there is a reason the Romans decorated the first man up the ladder, storming a fortification.

        Beyond that, we may be able to stabilize back into a republic post-bellum, and there are reasons to think the KKK will not eventually return.

        (A lot of whites have also been conned by the universities. And the assertion that all blacks have been so conned is clearly media disinformation. There’s definitely anger building up, but if the prestige of the media and the universities collapses, and absorbs the anger, things might be okay ish. Of course, I clearly have a number of problems with my thinking, so…)

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      7. They give their own species not a drop of the respect they claim to have for “environmental complexity”

        There’s a curious disconnect in environmentalist thought. If you asked them, they’d say that humans evolved from other animals – because they’ve only been taught the evolutionary model of human origins – but then call humans and everything we do unnatural.

        Since they regard human and all their works as unnatural, they can’t allow them the complexity of a natural system.

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  4. I’ve also mostly stopped following news. I can feel it being bad for me. I’m praying a lot. And I still get the sense the God knows what he’s doing.

    So I keep telling Him I trust Him and try to let go of the nerves. It’s easier when I’m not glued to news.

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    1. You’re the second person I’ve seen mention that today.

      It’s weird, because I’m feeling it, too– like I told him, this doesn’t feel like shock or denial, either, I’ve been there for those.

      I’ve had this “it will work out” feeling before, I think it’s Him, and He’s never steered me wrong before.

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      1. Got that this morning at Mass. Of course, it helped that Father did a deep dive theology sermon about the Baptism of the Lord. And that we had a guest musician who could really make a piano talk and sing and emote. Subtly. Holy crud, that kid has got chops. (And maestro hair, which is hilarious.)

        OTOH, we also had a funny moment when the toddler boy who’s full of beans suddenly started paying attention to Father’s sermon. Man, you mention dragons or fighting or stuff like that, the kid suddenly is all ears and sitting still.

        But yeah, there was suddenly a great peace in my heart, even though nothing was really changed. I don’t know how it will work out, and of course that always includes possibilities like martyrdom. But it’s under God’s control.

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    2. I’m absolutely sure He knows what He’s doing. I’m… not very good at being comforted by this. (I was whiny when I was in labor, too, and the good-that-comes-after was a lot easier to see.)

      And I’m horribly afraid I won’t correctly discern the truth or identify and do the right thing.

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    3. And I’m sorry, that was not a good comment from me. I’m pretty sure the right thing for me to do does not include slopping gloom on random people on the internet.

      If you would be so kind, please say a prayer for me, too. I will reciprocate and try to practice trusting.

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  5. Hope is a choice. It is a correct choice.

    Faith is a choice. It is a correct choice for God, but not for men or for the institutions of men.

    Love is a choice. I’ve been troubling myself over some of these issues, and the answer I came up with for the SAO fic was that love is important, and individual relationships.

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  6. Just as an FYI; California is more out of worry for hospitals systems being overloaded by covid patients needing oxygen in some regions than anything strictly political from what I’ve read. They have already requested the army Corp of engineers to help them so what happened in Egypt with loosing their entire covid wars do to the oxygen systems failing, has no possibility of occurring in California.

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    1. At this point, it should be pretty clear to everyone that there is a serious information war going on. Certain actions are much too telling to be doing for innocent reasons.

      Anyone who does not see this is probably deep into denial.

      During an information war, one of the defensive strategies is being more cautious about information intake, and trying to figure out what is going on with information operations.

      It should be obvious that there are one or more information operations going on with regard to covid.

      The number of people one can personally know is small. So a disease has to be seriously lethal before it reaches a threshold of a non-expert being able to tell how significant it is from personal acquaintances. Which means that for this disease, we are relying on data not personally collected, and (mostly) expertise not personally possessed.

      When you personally have the expertise, and can collect the data yourself, you can test someone else’s data and conclusions. That is an obvious test, and one I prefer. But there are other tests, and skills for applying them that can be equally specialized. For example, there are people with deception detection certifications.

      Hobbyist grade deception detection is very accessible, and involves being careful with trust, and paying attention. Three lines of approach: 1. Does a single person change details and claims unusually when they are asked in different circumstances and at different times? 2. Do multiple people have an unusually consistent story, that had to be coordinated? 3. Does an expert not address something that would occur to and be addressed by an honest expert?

      Other skill can be labeled ‘data analysis’, which is an even wider range of skillsets, and even less consistently reliable. One approach is looking at subsets of data, forming conclusions just looking at a subset alone, and then comparing conclusions between subsets. If an expert is clearly not removing subsets which should be removed, the expert may be lying and dishonest.

      With these approaches, if one knows that a communist country lies about everything, then an expert drawing conclusions from data provided by a communist country is evidence that the expert is lying, or too stupid to apply their expertise. It does not automatically follow that the experts are all colluding to lie about COVID19 being significantly different from an ordinary cold, but a person could reach such a conclusion.

      So there are no common facts, or no common trust, to conclude “actually, Newsome has a defensible reason for what he is doing.” Just going off of my own personal expertise*, from looking at another policy area, Newsome is either profoundly stupid or a monster. Neither of those possibilities compels me to believe him on covid.

      *Everyone has something they know better than most people.

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      1. So, just to clarify, you think the video from Egypt is fake?

        And pandemic data collection services- all the way down to the county level, across the entire United States, maybe even the globe- are all colluding to release false information?


      2. So, just to clarify, you think the video from Egypt is fake?

        Define “fake.”
        Since you chose the characterization, you should probably be clear about what you mean.

        We know that almost a year ago now, we were given a video of “New York COVID wards”– which was actually an Italian hospital dealing with what was, for them when the video was taken, still inside of the seasonal norms of serious respiratory infections. There is a clear demand for videos to incite a panic response.

        Anybody with even basic contact with military should have heard of the “camel cough”– a really nasty lung thing that is very common in the Middle East, especially but not exclusively among the lower end of incomes, and which was declared a horrible racist myth until someone actually bothered to look and discovered Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. The health situation of Egypt, especially for respiratory issues, would have to greatly improve to reach ‘complicated’.

        Culturally speaking, even passing familiarity with the Middle East should make one… cautious… about a video being in the same zipcode of “truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth” before considering why they want you to see/hear it.

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      3. There isn’t the same religious-cultural imperative to seek, promote and protect truth– that is a largely Christian cultural leaving, from combining Jewish and..was it Greek?… philosophy.

        In fact, it can be dangerous to suggest the truth is a thing that needs human support, since that would be slighting Allah’s power, in contrast with the Christian ideal that searching for knowledge is a manner in which one can praise God, by delighting in His creation.
        (If anyone’s unfamiliar with it, look up the question of respecting and protecting creation in conjunction– you may be pleasantly surprised. Research is a manner in which one can respect creation, by trying to learn about it.)

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      4. “And pandemic data collection services- all the way down to the county level, across the entire United States, maybe even the globe- are all colluding to release false information?”

        Well, it’s certainly not in question that false information is being released. In case you haven’t been paying attention, they’ve been caught claiming as COVID deaths people who demonstrably died of something else entirely. Just to name the example that comes most readily to mind for me, a guy right here in Florida was claimed as COVID death, and when the guy doing the press release was questioned further, it turned out the victim was actually killed in a motorcycle accident. He just happened to have COVID–or at least some sign of it–in his system at the time of his death.

        That’s not an isolated incident. You might also look up the number of testing centers who were caught publicizing all the positive test results, with nary a word about the not insignificant number of negatives. Also not an isolated incident.

        And perhaps most telling of all? Look up all the people demanding we wear masks all the time, who have been caught not obeying their own rules. Herr Doktor Fauci is a repeat, documented offender. Who also, I might point out, has flat-out _admitted_ to lying to the American people on the subject. Oh, sure, he claims the truth is _worse_ than what he’d previously admitted, but why should we believe that when he’s already admitting to having lied in the first place?

        These people have no credibility.

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      5. Just to name the example that comes most readily to mind for me, a guy right here in Florida was claimed as COVID death, and when the guy doing the press release was questioned further, it turned out the victim was actually killed in a motorcycle accident. He just happened to have COVID–or at least some sign of it–in his system at the time of his death.

        Several Arizona counties explained that their source for “COVID deaths” was all pending-confirmation cases, all diagnosed by symptom cases, and all deaths of someone who had tested positive in the previous… at least six weeks, but it may have been eight weeks or more.

        New York City very famously “fixed” the issue of a massive spike in deaths-at-home when they changed their ER response to require that someone be revived on site before they were taken to a hospital by redefining those deaths as COVID. The Gothamist did a very approving piece on it.

        There’s also that most non-emergency medical was ordered shut down– unless the person was a COVID patient. I would be shocked if a doctor did not use the extremely generous rules for identifying a possible COVID case (“May have been exposed to someone with COVID”– you are in the hospital, clearly it’s possible) in order to be allowed to save someone’s life.
        I wish that one of ’em had done it for my honorary grandfather, he might still be alive…. (Treating pneumonia just enough to be able to get someone out of the ER is not a very good survival strategy, especially when he goes back in four or five times.)

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      6. So, just to clarify, you think the video from Egypt is fake?

        And pandemic data collection services- all the way down to the county level, across the entire United States, maybe even the globe- are all colluding to release false information?

        My position could obviously be easily summarized as ‘assume false until proven true’. You are asking me if I know that some specific information is false. GFY.

        If I did not film the video, or prepare the information myself, or had it done under my direct supervision, I do not know how true it is, and can not testify.

        Information from overseas? It is batshit insane to assume that cultures are the same in all countries, such that information from different countries has the same level of reliability. Any video is suspect that isn’t a) authenticated by technical means b) involving a known location and persons that can be independently investigated.

        If I do not know the organization and people well, if they may have political incentive to lie, you can not force me to trust them. Where data collection in my own county is concerned, I do not trust it, precisely because I know about some figures of political influence.

        I am in a continuing processes of losses of confidence.

        I’m not sure of the timing wrt my previous comment, but I’ve found out that Raffensperger was a civil engineering PE, and purports to be able to know if an electronic voting system is of secure design. Engineers are not suppose to make statements for disciplines they have not been trained in, and state boards are supposed to discipline PEs who do not follow strict ethical standards. So until I investigate Raffensperger’s work history, and disciplinary record, I’m obligated to doubt whether the whole profession of engineering is being properly policed, and I am normally inclined to trust engineers by default.

        I’ve just found out that a letter was signed by 157 heads of laws schools. Which a) makes claims about fact, see Raffensperger for one of the implied claims b) makes theoretically unsound claims about the authority of the legal system, and about ways to restore trust in rule of law.

        If the Pope and 250 bishops and archbishops were to swear that something was Catholic doctrine, I would distrust the claim, and start looking for authenticable evidence of Catholic doctrine, that can be shown to predate the lives of the clergymen involved.

        There is very little that you can compel me to trust.

        You can no more force me to trust than I can force you to trust. Consider that I can state insane things, and you do not automatically believe. Exhibit, the real covid policy mistake was not to immediate execute all prison, and subsequently round up and execute all drug offenders.

        Therefore, my statement about loss of common trust holds to some degree, whether or not you concede that it holds.

        Every Tom, Dick and Harry handwringing about damage done to ‘democratic norms’, and also claiming that it would have been wrong for the crowd on January 6 to hang all members of congress is making a false statement. A true statement would require handwringing about damage done to /republican/ norms, and the concession that hanging elected officials is in line with democratic norms if the crowd is large enough. The widespread nature of just those false statements would be enough to cast doubt on any statements made now by a widespread number of people.


  7. One of the things that will make doing what the Far Left wants to do harder is that America is so much bigger (geographically) and the shear number of people they are trying to shut down/out is so much larger than… anywhere else this kind of thing has been tried. At least with this kind of speed. The fact that anything they do has to be huge to apply to so many people on so huge a scale tends towards “solutions” that are rather hard to hide. Or that are clumsy and end up involving people who thought they weren’t in the line of fire… and who shouldn’t be if the Far Left was consistent with it’s ideology.

    As anyone that has worked with up-scaling… just about anything can tell you, make something so much bigger (or if a bunch of people using a product all at once) and all kinds of unforeseen problems pop up. A “solution” that could work with a few million people is going to be a lot harder to make work on tens of millions of people… not to mention the size of the physical area needed for that many people to exist.

    The other thing I’ve been thinking over the past year is that… North America is long overdue an “ideological conflict”. Societal values never stay static. Usually when they shift too far apart, some kind of “country splitting” event happens, often leading to war. Europe, Asia, Africa and South America had… quite a few of those kinds of events over the 20th Century. North America didn’t (at least as far as literal wars went). While I don’t think anyone wants such an event to happen… the signs are on the horizon more than ever. If it ends up going that way… I’ll probably be sad, but I don’t think I’ll be surprised it went there. The US has been splitting ideologically for the last… 50 some years, but in the last 20 years… it’s become a lot more obvious the two ideologies have so little in common that it’s all but impossible to bridge the differences between them enough to have a stable country. And unstable countries don’t tend to last long.

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    1. There’s probably no way to split the US and form viable countries. I start from Sherman’s arguments on the matter. (At the time, Mexico was known for multiple civil wars. So the place would have been fairly well known to Americans as an example.)

      If Democrats and Republicans cannot have enough mutual trust to share a country, then neighboring Democrat and Republican countries probably can not pull off a stable peace.

      Some of the foreign adversaries are probably hoping for an extended warring states period.

      At this point, if one hasn’t fallen behind the curve of the information war, it is clear that 1) Pelosi had the capital police let the protesters in as part of managing the vote. 2) Pelosi was just using covid as a ruse for seizing power. 3) There are significantly few Democrats who backed Biden in this power grab. Therefore, the obvious collective scale answer is to win the civil war, and during or after, massacre the small number of traitor Democrats. The way Republicans folded for extreme Democrat positions, there is a good number of people who go along to get along with power, or who are very vulnerable to information operations. These people, whether formally Democrat, Republican, or unaligned, would likewise fold for an extreme Republican position that appeared to be winning. Yet, I am not persuaded this is the right course of action.

      Love and individual relationships wise, I only really personally know one Democrat. I do not reach the same conclusion for that one person that I have for some of the other Democrats.

      So I’m betting on two things. 1) That I do not need a theoretical explanation of an answer in advance of an answer occurring. (Democrat policy theory is heavily based on having answers according to theory.) 2) It is right and proper for me to look at things from the perspective of the individual scale, and ignore matters of the collective scale.

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      1. Love and individual relationships wise, I only really personally know one Democrat. I do not reach the same conclusion for that one person that I have for some of the other Democrats.

        I’ve grown up in a very liberal Democratic state my entire life. So… most of the people I interact with on a semi-regular basis “out in the wild” are Democrats. And… up until the last year/election cycle… I would have said most of them were decent people who could think for themselves. After this year… I’m… concerned. A large number of them have made it… very clear… that they think the half of the country that don’t think like them are idiots (at best) or outright malicious (at worst). I don’t know if it’s because they really do think that or if it’s because they need other people to think they think that. Either option is… scary… in it’s implications.

        That “regular” people I know really do seem to believe that they are superior to half the country is… rather ominous. I don’t know how a country can stay together when half of the general population hates the other half of it. Or thinks it needs to be “re-educated” or is a problem they need to permanently remove. It’s one thing when “general masses” on the internet think that. It’s another when people you personally know do. There’s… reasons… I’ve gotten a lot of practice at talking around/out of political topics in the last ten years. I know that people I need to personally interact with hate people who think like me and… it’s really easy (even necessary) to want to make sure they don’t find that out about me as well.

        I do find it interesting that other people I know that used to vote Democrat consistently… 10-20 years ago are now no longer doing so. They can’t stand where that party has gone and are now finding themselves with nothing else to vote for other than Republican because, even if they don’t agree with the Republicans about everything, they agree with them a lot more often than they agree with what the Democratic party has become. They are also being rather quiet in public about what they think politically…

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      2. >>They are also being rather quiet in public about what they think politically…<<

        This is why I don't think the country will stop its slide into becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The only political speech people are truly free to talk about is that of the increasingly deranged Left and those who do speak out suffer for it either socially, economically, or (thankfully still rarely) legally. And with Big Tech having enough confidence to publicly take the actions they have, in such a way as to NOT be able to hand-wave any accusations of impropriety away by saying it was an overeager employee, it's become obvious that any method we have of finding others with our beliefs and values and organizing together are at the very least monitored. At the very worst it's only a matter of time before they're all shut down and we're barred from not only the existing communications infrastructure but can't even try to build our own.

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  8. Frankly, I’m overall more concerned that this is the end-stage of American conservatism— the embracement of right-wing extremism by political elites in order to maintain their existing power and expand their authority at the expense of their opponents, using violent means to cow leftist opposition while attempting to radicalize the moderate right. I’ve seen several comparisons made to the Beer Hall Putsch and the Reichstag Fire, and while they’re not 1:1 comparisons the similarities in intent are disturbing.
    Though this may be coming from my position as a left-leaning white individual, as far as I understand the BLM movement has been a movement by the nation’s black communities calling for police reform and for light to be shed on the issues black communities continue to face. What happened on January 6th and was, as far as I understand and believe, an act of terrorism meant to strike fear into both sitting U.S politicians and the general public while simultaneously attempting to present a false narrative to encourage the radicalization of moderates, who vastly outnumber the extremists. Time will tell if this political cult will be successful.
    If it does come down to violence, however, I feel that many people have vastly misjudged the odds of the extreme right’s success. The U.S military may face some defections, but not enough to matter, and their monopoly on armored fighting vehicles, combat aircraft, and naval supremacy would quickly turn any attempted mass insurrection into a splintered mess of insurgencies (arguably a harder threat to counter but certainly less able to impose policy and political control on a nationwide scale). The death and terror way go on for years, but the republic would survive at least on paper. I’m deeply concerned about what all this is a prelude to, but I’m at least confident that the left has a fighting chance to fix things and repair the failing machine of the Union.


    1. I’m approving this one because I think you need to hear other people’s thoughtful feedback and I’m honestly too under the weather ATM to take all the logic flaws apart myself.

      I will briefly address this one, though.

      “as far as I understand the BLM movement has been a movement by the nation’s black communities calling for police reform and for light to be shed on the issues black communities continue to face.’

      *Whistles* If that’s what you think, I can only conclude you haven’t been watching even the mainstream media. You don’t call for police reform by burning cities down.

      And on that note…

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      1. I guess you’ll be disappointed in the lack of thought in the feed back I provided to the individual.

        I hadn’t even noticed that he phrased it that way.

        I notice now that he tries to suggest that he is American, but does not outright say so. And some of the word choice is a little funny, if he is actually an American.

        It would be surprising for an American not to have at least gotten a hint that there are more cautious American blacks, that black neighborhoods have been burned, that there were arsons, or that there were a lot of white arsonists. Maybe people in NYC are that insular, but I would expect a NYC die hard leftist to be praising Coumo more for his mass murder.

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    2. 1. Go blank blank.
      2. I formed my opinions from reading the tea leaves on major political figures, and foreign adversaries. Take your theory that Trump is the source of my opinions, and go to hockeysticks with it.
      3. The breakdowns of trust predated Trump, or predated the actions of Trump which the left claims as the motivation.
      4. Any examination of the autopsy reports for figures BLM claims were wrongfully slain will show some evidence for factors that might lead to ambiguity. Democrat politicians were sponsoring BLM for their own political ends. The evidence that survived testing in court is not clear. The actual people behind BLM are critical race theorists. If you claim 1619 is correct, and you claim that critical race theorists represent all blacks, you have just made a claim that rationally, whites should carry out an anti-black pogrom of extermination. The first two claims are untrue, and the last claim being untrue is directly related to the untruth of the first two claims. Following from this, BLM’s activities have basically been similar to the Tulsa race riots, including the burning out of black neighborhoods.
      5. Another breakdown in trust was the covid fraud and power grab, and its use to shift the way that the election was carried out.
      6. You’ve failed to really study the possibility of a US civil war, or you are a liar. You would be a moron to think that naval power has a key role in shaping how things would go down. I wonder how much ordinary Americans are even aware of American naval power.
      7. Look at the video of the doors. Either someone really messed up, and put weak locks on the things, or the doors were hacked, or someone let the crowd in. Given how quickly the crowd was removed from the place, they didn’t fight their way in. Ergo, they were let in, and probably by Pelosi to shape the vote and maybe to shape the battlespace for the civil war.
      8. There were six reasons for a Republican voter paying attention to rumor to think that the election was fraudulent, regardless of what Trump was or was not saying. And a Republican voter would be paying attention to rumor precisely because of mainstream news having proven themselves liars and a waste of time. These are things I first heard this cycle by hearsay. a) Republican voters have been for years aware of the Republican arguments about integrity of the voting lists. b) The unusual manner of the implementation of widespread mail in votes. c) The statistical arguments made about large numbers of Biden votes showing up with zero Trump votes. d) Arguments about the design and operation of computer systems. e) Document retention and availability. f) Claims about improper restrictions on GOP poll watchers.
      9. If you are saying that say, a sample of 5,000 ballots with 0 Trump votes, is not evidence of fraud, you would be a liar, or so ignorant of statistical theory that you should be treated as a moron, functioning on the mental level of a child. If you are saying that there is any sort of computer system that I must trust, you are either entirely ignorant, or a liar. That the court cases were rejected on procedural grounds instead of material grounds is evidence that i) courts are untrustworthy ii) the material evidence, such as related to a, b, c, d, e, and f, would have withstood the scrutiny of an honest court.
      10. The pattern of claims made by yourself, Pelosi, the media, and other Democrats it itself so incriminating that it alone would be worth special treatment.
      11. Go blank blank.

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      1. Sigh.

        First of all— yes, I am American. Central Pennsylvanian specifically, though for my own safety and the safety of my family I hope you’ll all forgive me for not being more specific. I’m not suspicious of any of you per say, but this is a public Internet forum and accessible to anyone, and that potentially includes some very disturbed people. I don’t want to paint a target on my back for human traffickers or people violently opposed to my perspective.
        I will confess, I’m not a registered Democrat or a member of BLM organizations. In fact, I don’t belong to any political or social organizations, and I follow the news only infrequently for mental health reasons. So I’m not going to pretend I’m some kind of expert.
        From my admittedly limited understanding of BLM, a perspective admittedly biased by my own thoughts on society and politics, I have always been under the impression that the outbreaks of violence were the result of bad actors and right-wing extremist plants desiring to discredit the movement and increase tensions between black and white communities in America. This is, again, the perspective of a left-leaning individual who believes that the purpose of government is to regulate industry, support military forces, and maintain infrastructure to protect the American public from threats foreign and domestic, and that social and governmental organizations have no right to regulate an individual’s behavior save for when that behavior produced a hazard to the health and safety of other individuals. To that end I’ve flirted with political/economic theories ranging from anarchism to syndicalism and found issues and benefits to each. But what I’ve found most disgusting in the United States today is a conception that organizations and the government have an authority to judge and regulate the life of the individual, that some people are inherently superior or inferior. I see churches which argue for state religion and the mistreatment and suppression of anyone who falls outside of their definition of “acceptable behavior,” and I have seen fascists grow more and more willing to make themselves visible and heard and “accepted” by the mainstream.
        So maybe it’s all projection, based on my interpretation of the phrase “sin is in the act of causing unnecessary harm to others. Harming yourself is not sinful, merely stupid.” Maybe it’s my anti-authority college student biases. Maybe I’m just tired of seeing people suffer while nobody with the power to change things seems to care. I know this has gone off topic, and I don’t really care, because this is me ranting my dissatisfaction with my country and the world to the void and not caring who hears. But frankly, I’d rather stand with the anti-fascists than the fascists, because even if the left-wing powers-that-be don’t align with my beliefs, at least I’ll find more people who want to fight suffering and oppression amongst the antis than I will amongst the fascists.

        And for the record? I dare the Coast Guard and the Cajun Navy to go up against an actual naval battlegroup. I’d pay good money to see them get their asses blown out of the water before they fire a single shot.


      2. I’m wondering how much you really know about the Coast Guard. For example, did you know that pound for pound, they have some of the most heavily armed ships out there? And they have their own Special Forces division? Not to mention a lot of the Cajun Navy and other such groups have plenty of retired – or active – trained military personnel.

        But beyond that I honestly wonder why on earth you think it’s relevant. Unless someone plans to invade Hawaii or Puerto Rico – both painfully reliable progressive areas, so why bother? – there wouldn’t be any call for naval action.

        As far as the definition of fascists – I strongly recc’ this book.

        If you want to fight suffering and oppression, fight for the right of people to have dignified work, and to freedom of speech and belief. I and other commenters here are looking at our freedoms being trampled on, and we will not be silent.


      3. From my admittedly limited understanding of BLM, a perspective admittedly biased by my own thoughts on society and politics, I have always been under the impression that the outbreaks of violence were the result of bad actors and right-wing extremist plants desiring to discredit the movement and increase tensions between black and white communities in America.


        How the ever loving bleep do you manage to get that from (Monday-Friday) riots in PORTLAND and SEATTLE?!?!?!

        Seattle’s idea of “far right” is “thinks Obama wasn’t right wing.” And Portland is further left.

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      4. And for the record? I dare the Coast Guard and the Cajun Navy to go up against an actual naval battlegroup.

        Eight years USN.

        For the love of all that’s holy, shut up before you hurt someone. Quite literally.

        I really don’t like being rude, but… dear Lord above, have you been an a freaking BOX for the last 20 years?

        Did you f’n SLEEP through the USS Cole?!?

        What, do you get your tactics from video games or something– and not even simi-accurate ones that at least use open source floorplans, but “G-5, hit your battleship” type junk?

        I went with the US Navy because then I could have a chance to shoot back– the Coasties deal with junk way worse than I did in supporting Enduring Freedom, and they do it when they usually aren’t allowed to shoot back.

        The Cajun Navy?
        They wouldn’t f’n bother with the ships.

        They decide a ship needs to go down, they’re goin’ for the desks ordering that ship places, and/or the supplies for the ship.

        This is the kind of stuff that if you’ve been paying attention, much less in the service, in the last 20 years– you should know.

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      5. What horrifies me is that the guy is literally saying stuff like:
        Frankly I wish the fascist plants you people used to discredit BLM had burned every church in this godforsaken country.
        and he doesn’t realize that he’s the one doing a funny march and cheering folks being put on box cars.

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      6. Dude.

        Where ever you’ve had people in contact with each other, you’ve also had people who really do not like each other.

        “Ooh, moderns are soo judgemental about criminality” is spectacularly ignorant of what the physical anthropologists are finally coming around to noticing about prehistory. Every population has its own customs, almost none of them are as squeaky clean nice as you imply that you think actually existed in practice.

        Given the timing, location, and the simultaneity of the BLM protests, and the acts attributed to infiltrators, the infiltrators would have had to have been invited by the same people that organized the BLM protests. So the infiltrator model could be said to be plausible if you assume that there is nothing ‘anti’ about Anti-Fa, and that the ‘right wing acts’ were the intent of the Democrat elected officials who stage managed the events by preventing the police from intervening.

        To be plausible as a discrete organization, infiltrators would have needed to have started after BLM started acting, or only acted in a few of the places BLM was acting. Plus, if the Democrat elected officials were not protecting the ‘right-wing’ arsonists, either more of them would have been arrested, or, if it is so easy to commit arson without being caught by police, there would have been more arsons of black neighborhoods in red states and red cities.

        I understand that covid makes it impossible for people to be checking things out with their own eyes. Even so, if neighborhoods in my town had been burned down, even I should have heard by now.

        If you are a college student, and aren’t taking any calculus or statistics, you are wasting your time and money. The subject matter accessed through such coursework is the only training that it is better to get through a university than one can self study on one’s own.

        All this other stuff we are referencing, the humanities and systemic collection of information/intelligence? You’ll have a lot of time to work on that later, in life.

        If things go pear shaped, it is better to be employable, with transferable skills. So finishing fast with something that is actually marketable is really good advice. But if the academic study of the employable majors does not suit you, it would be better to find a blue collar entry level job, pay close attention to what you see in the work place, and shut up about what you think you learned in school.

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      7. And I don’t mean ‘shut up about politics’.

        Academic training is only part of what goes into real world job skills. There are definitely skills that are almost impossible to manage without reading the correct area of academic theory. But even those really, really, also need a bunch of experience.

        Experience is one of the most important things.

        Paying attention in the workplace is important for two reasons. One, there are a lot of different styles or aptitudes of learning, and there are a lot of people who benefit from observing more experienced people doing a task.

        Second, people skills, and getting along are really important for any sort of job that isn’t entirely solitary. And this is going to be really different than from when everyone is at the same skill level and from the same cohort. If the work is a job you can get without a college degree, some of your coworkers will have also gone to college, or even gotten advanced degrees that they could not find work with. “I had English Composition I” doesn’t impress the guy who had three years before he dropped out, the guy with the chemistry BS, the lady with the English MA who was a TA, or even the highschool drop out with thirty years of experience who still had a real instructor in his highschool English coursework, and can write better than you can.

        If you are telling people how impressive you are, you are not learning from them how to do the work well. (And frankly, anyone who has to /say/ that they are impressive is not impressive. People who have learned to pay attention to others can recognize who is really impressive, and the regard of people who don’t pay attention is not of real value.)

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    3. The event at the Capitol on the 6th – which was neither as rowdy, nor as destructive nor as violent as any of the BLM/Antifa riots that have been held all over the country – could easily have struck terror into the hearts of Congress.
      Congress are cowards who can’t bear the idea that they might actually have to meet the people whose lives their bills and the policies they advocate have destroyed.
      Congress is made up of people who don’t care if a bunch of the little people destroy each other – peasants gonna peasant, after all, and they should have room to destroy – but who are shocked by the idea that those peasants are capable of entering – not even breaking, just entering! – Congress’s workplace.

      And all of that assumes that the fear and outrage that members of Congress expressed afterwards was genuine. They might have been faking it, i.e., lying about it, along with most of the damage they claim to have found afterwards.

      No one is going to know for sure, because Congress and the news media – allegedly conservative Fox included – have been lying to us all year. Calling riots mostly peaceful as the flames rage in the frame behind them.

      They think that you are stupid enough to believe what they say rather than what you see, by the way.

      The idea that the event on the 6th would have struck terror into the hearts of the rest of the country when nothing ended up on fire, only protestors ended up dead during the event – mostly of sudden health events and only one unarmed woman shot by the police – and people were yelling at the firebrands to not break anything, is laughable.

      Contrast this event with the actual riot – run by BLM/Antifa in DC earlier this summer, where “protestors” sprayed graffiti all over a bunch of monuments and buildings, threw hard objects at the police who were sent to contain them, broke into and robbed local businesses, killed random bystanders who tried to stop them, and set a church (among other buildings) on fire.

      I mean, believe what you want, but – be honest – which would you be more terrified of: people indiscriminately setting fires and looting businesses, or people staying between the velvet ropes in a building they supposedly stormed?

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      1. I literally have no words. I literally do not have the words to explain what is wrong with you.

        Fascists and fascism are evil, period. The people who broke into the Capitol building, broke windows to get in even, tried to bash down doors to attack congressional representatives of both parties, carried deadly weapons and built a literal gallows in front of the Capitol building included fascists, which no-one else in the crowd apparently had issues with. These should not be controversial statements!

        As for burning a church? Bleep churches. I despise organized religion, just another means of controlling people, telling them what to think and how to behave. Spirituality should be a personal matter that you don’t bother other people with, and it certainly shouldn’t be the club to ensure conformity and a culture of shame that it currently is. Frankly I wish the fascist plants you people used to discredit BLM had burned every church in this godforsaken country.

        Bleep you and the diseased cow that gave birth to you. Every person in that embarrassment at the Capitol on the 6th should be prosecuted. And every white nationalist group in the country arrested for advocating genocide. Bleep your church and it’s determination to tell me what to think, who I can and can’t love and what I can and can’t watch, do or wear.


      2. I believe Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals applies here. Pics or it didn’t happen.

        As for advocating genocide… wow. Just wow. You really haven’t hung out near BLM groups, have you? Or studied black liberation theology. Or the Nation of Islam. Guess who they want to wipe off the face of the earth?

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      3. Fascists and fascism are evil, period. The people who broke into the Capitol building, broke windows to get in even, tried to bash down doors to attack congressional representatives of both parties, carried deadly weapons and built a literal gallows in front of the Capitol building included fascists, which no-one else in the crowd apparently had issues with. These should not be controversial statements!

        I must wonder where you have been the last year, as the “anti-fascists” did this and worse, including publicly threatening the children of those who suggested checking the counts in contested areas.

        There’s also the basic anthropology that you should be comparing like to like– so where the hell were you the last 9 months? Or almost 4 years ago, when far worse was done?

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      4. So, Goldeneye, will you object when they start killing people for having the “wrong” thoughts and not going along with re-education? Because it certainly sounds like you won’t. In fact it sounds like you’ll be signing up to help kill us.

        …and you think we’re the evil ones?

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      5. I literally do not have the words to explain what is wrong with you.

        What is wrong with me is that I disagree with you. And you have certainly acted like a good little leftist here, wishing death and calling down curses on me, my relatives, and friends because of that.

        Thanks. Thanks so much for that.

        Fascism is a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

        If the right were fascist, you would know it, because you would be the one in the position currently occupied by every major conservative and anti-democrat voice on Twitter and Facebook, that is: permanently banned.

        If the right were fascist, you would know it, because Democrat lawmakers would be calling for tolerance and understanding instead of calling for purges of Trump supporters, and making lists of conservatives to turned into second-class citizens and reeducated.

        You can throw around insults all you want.

        They mean nothing if the actions you condemn with them aren’t congruent with the meaning of the words you use.

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      6. Dude.

        How the eff can you be so strongly convinced that your beliefs about Facism do not constitute a religion?

        Religion is a much wider category than just ‘behaviors exactly like Christianity’.

        One definition is magical thinking, and ritual activity done as a group.

        Your confidence that the information you have been presented exactly describes reality appears to be ‘map is the territory’ magical thinking.

        Can you really honestly say that ritual behavior, such as only saying politically correct things, is not important to you?

        Can you really honestly say that it is not important to you whether others have the same ritual behavior as you?

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      7. “Fascists and fascism are evil, period.”

        And who, exactly, do you think are the fascists? Because it’s not the “right-wing” that’s behaving like fascists. The single, solitary “credible” incident of “right-wing” violence of late is the so-called “insurrection” in the capital–in which, to my knowledge, only two deaths have even been claimed. One of which is open to dispute–the police can’t seem to make up their minds as to whether their dead guy died of injuries from those events, or something pre-existing–while the confirmed one was an unarmed protester. Who was shot through a closed door.

        Speaking as someone who was trained to be responsible with firearms, the cop for fired _that_ shot should never be allowed near a gun again. But I digress. (Or do I?)

        There was very little if any property damage.

        Compare that to the BLM and Antifa riots of the past year, which despite the media’s bizarre claims have been much, much more destructive.

        “I despise organized religion, just another means of controlling people, telling them what to think and how to behave.”

        In what way, sir, are you behaving any differently? You and yours? You accuse us of “controlling” people. Telling them how to think. Well, guess what? _We_ are not the ones actively suppressing other opinions. _We_ are not the ones silencing anyone who disagrees with us. _We_ are not the ones threatening those who dare to think something other than the approved party line.

        Donald Trump has accused the media of lying. He has refused to engage with certain media outlets, such as CNN. But what he _hasn’t_ done is try to shut them down. (Okay, yes, I think he’s sued one or two of them for slander/libel, but any sane person would after some of the despicable things they’ve said about him. And he went through the appropriate legal channels to do so. He didn’t sic the IRS or FBI on them, the way certain Democrat politicians I could name would and have.)

        The Leftist media, by contrast, is working actively to silence him, and everyone else on the “right” end of the political spectrum. Or have you not heard about the number of conservative voices whose invitations to speak at various educational institutions have been suddenly revoked on protest of students and/or faculty who can’t bear to hear any opinion that conflicts with their own? If you haven’t heard about that, I defy you to claim you haven’t heard about Twitter banning the President of the United States (for a statement which, if anyone would bother to _read_ it, was calling for _peace_.) Banning, in fact, every right-wing voice they can find.

        Have you not heard how Parler, the avowed conservative alternative to Twitter, was hounded offline explicitly because they refused to censor speech?

        Have you also not heard of efforts to prevent even _financial institutions_ from doing business with those of unapproved thought? Banks are already beginning to refuse to associate with Trump, and various other Republicans. For some time now, there’s been efforts to keep them from working with anyone associated with the firearms industry–and industry, I might add, whose activities are explicitly protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, with the remarkably blunt and unambiguous words “shall not be infringed”.

        Where, sir, does this suppression end? When those who don’t follow the party line are not allowed to speak or transact business? Where do you draw the line?

        Oh yes, sir, I am myself a Christian, and a conservative, and proud of both. And I am neither violent, nor attempting to silence anyone else. And if my faith does lead me to tell people they shouldn’t do this or that, well, _so are you._ But where I and mine are attempting to persuade, you and yours are attempting to force, on pain of never speaking publicly again, and financial ruin.

        Tell me, sir. Which side is truly fascist?

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      8. So…did nobody else see all this coming when they started redefining Racism as a matter of POWER dynamics rather than…you know, race?

        I’m kind of shocked at how quickly and how brazenly they’re going about it, but when they managed to start pushing through changes in definitions that were shaped to support their agenda I was expecting stuff like this eventually.

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      9. Brazen, sure.

        Quick, I’m less certain of.

        Someone told me to look up the Cloward-Priven strategy recently.

        I only got around to looking up Cloward, who was an academic.

        Cloward was one of the people who got motor voter passed in 1993, partly on the basis of his academic scholarship in sociology.

        His theory, per wikipedia, is basically that criminals commit crime to relieve a sense of helplessness.

        My immediate reaction to that is “all of the sociologists /had/ to have known that they were wrong about that”, of course. (The obvious hole in my reaction is that I am a very bad predictor for how well or poorly other people think.)

        Motor Voter requires that driver’s license holders be entered onto the voting rolls, or that same day voting registration be allowed. I can see how that follows from Cloward’s theory, but in 2021 it seems clear that Americans of the 1980s were crazy not to hang the sociologists for pushing that garbage. Maybe an acceptable crazy, but…

        Anyway, Gramscian march was fairly long. No wonder so many of the senior Democrats have lost their minds and are showing it to this degree.

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    4. Though this may be coming from my position as a left-leaning white individual, as far as I understand the BLM movement has been a movement by the nation’s black communities calling for police reform and for light to be shed on the issues black communities continue to face.

      Which somehow involved burning down majority black communities, a bunch of definitely not black folks rioting, and oh yes the open murder of folks like Mr. Dorn the retired black cop, and the banning of a non-white-but-not-black left wing journalist for not censoring black community members who said they didn’t like BLM.

      And just incidentally matched up with the same low quality fertilizer that has been shoveled since I was a kid in the 90s, at least, and seems to match up with radical racist and anti-Christian junk since the 60s.

      The anti-Christian thing is especially striking– because there are a ton of philosophies, most of which are not actively anti-Christian. They aren’t Christian, but they don’t declare something moronic like that Christianity itself rules out being black, and anybody who is African-American who is Christian is brainwashed.

      And yet such low quality fertilizer came out of the Smithsonian, to general BLM approval, this summer.

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    5. The funny thing about this comment, is that if you replaced every “Right” with “Left” and vice versa, you’d have nearly a word for word analysis of the situation as given by most Conservatives.

      The comment itself fails, however, because the right has not and will not embrace its extremists, as witnessed by the absolute scramble of every Republican in DC to deny any association with the people who gathered in Washington on the 6th.

      Leftists always project, indeed.

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  9. I really need to stop commenting on political stuff. I get so angry that I get into arguments and start saying stuff I don’t mean and don’t approve of just to pick a fight.

    To everyone here: I’ll never agree with your political views but I am sorry if I’ve said something offensive or threatening. It was not my desire to do so and I retract my statements. I sincerely apologize.


    1. *Wry* I’ve dealt with literal death threats, Goldeneye. So have a lot of people here. That’s why I’m trying to offer you information.

      Look up actual crime statistics, where and why it happens. Look up unemployment rates, and how suicide and domestic abuse shoot up with them.

      And if you think those of a conservative bent exclude people based on behavior….

      Most people here are trying to figure out ways to be heard before things erupt in violence. We’re just seeing less and less hope that anyone on the progressive side will listen.


      1. Is it wrong that I just can’t help feeling… I don’t know, tired, about all this? Just, feeling like I have to be angry and pick a fight, because my alternative is feeling numb and empty?

        I’m just tired. Of politics, of my country, of people. I know it’s got to be wrong, but some days I just wish it would all end so I just don’t have to worry about it.


      2. Lots and lots of people are having a rough time right now, you are not alone in that.

        It is not wrong to find things very difficult.

        People who normally did not have any problems are having to cope with depression now. The thing about depression is that it lies. It will tell you that things are permanently awful, that things are worse than they actually are, and that there is nothing that you can do to improve things. This is not true.

        Stay alive. As long as you are alive, you can play the next game. Or change the game that you are trying to play.

        The world is never as uniform and predictable as it seems, and this means that even if you cannot change yourself, that circumstances may break for you in the future.

        Furthermore, I spent years feeling helpless, thinking I was doomed to fail always, struggling to change myself and failing to get traction and get anywhere. Eventually, I started to figure out what to address, and the effort bore fruit.

        2020 was a bad year for a lot of people, including me, but I was still happier and healthier than some of the years I remember.

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    2. I’m offended when people aren’t willing to offend me.

      That statement of mine is part joke, and part serious.

      Learning to control behaviors and emotional reactions is part of growing up, and I can tell you takes continuing effort at least into middle age.

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  10. There’s a very good novel that you might like to read. It’s called Advise and Consent by Allan Drury. He was a reporter and news editor for many years, and he really enjoyed people. The novel is partly based on real events during WWII, and partly based on various 1950’s confirmation battles in the Senate. You might like to read it, as a window into what Washington used to be like, and for understanding the current conflicts between parties. It’s not always about ideology; it can be about different personalities and different priorities for life. Some of this stuff may never come up and be understood — and that’s the sort of thing that this novel is about.

    So yup, the President is basically FDR, the majority is basically the Democratic Party, and the minority is the Republicans. But since you’re dealing with both parties having a broad spectrum of ideologies embraced back then, it doesn’t really matter (except obviously for the study of Southern Democrats, which is pretty important for understanding US politics in the past). And it’s peacetime in the 1950’s or early 1960’s, not wartime.

    Drury wrote a lot of other novels, and a lot of them are very insightful. (His Akhenaten duology is pretty hard-hitting on ancient Egyptian politics!) You can get them most easily as ebooks, although some public libraries may still carry a lot of them back in the stacks. But Advise and Consent is still his greatest book.

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