Worldbuilding: Consequences of Cultivation

Every so often, when I’m building a new story ‘verse, I try to take a step back and consider consequences. Along the lines of, okay, I’m making it a Thing that X is real in the world of the story. And then what?

This had interesting knock-on effects in Tell No Tales, for one. In that story the ability to consciously do magic and the ability to gather and channel magical power are, in fact, two different genes. They’re close enough together in the genome that they’re usually inherited together – but “usually” is not “always”. Genetic recombination happens. And the results of such rare exceptions led to death, disaster, and later murder.

In Colors of Another Sky, the ability to manipulate the laws of physics – “magic” – is real. In East Asia including the Korean Peninsula, cultivation is one of the most common and organized ways to do it. But not the only one. Shamans, onmyouji, odd Buddhist and Daoist practices – there are a lot of ways to get similar results. And other lands have their own methods. For now I’ll just drop the hints that prayer and meditation are often closely related, Judeo-Christian religions tend to approve of self-defense, and Badass Bookworms appear to be a universal human phenomenon.

So. Cultivation, and cultivators. What are some consequences?

Well, for one, a cultivator may have a certain amount of trouble passing for a normal person. Cultivation improves general health; assuming they start young enough, cultivators will tend to be taller and stronger than the average run of the population. Chae, for example, can and does disguise herself as a man because she’s tall enough to pass as a short-to-average common guy. Lee Cheong, OTOH, has about as much chance of passing himself off as a commoner as a cheetah would impersonating a housecat. Half his family is yangban, the other half has a history of cultivation, and he stands significantly over six feet tall. Blending in is not an option.

(If you’ve seen any of Netflix’s Kingdom, note the Prince standing a head above most other characters. Yeah. Like that.)

So if you’re an average person in a setting like this, and you see someone tall and healthy, you’re going to keep an eye on them. They might be nobles, able to mess you up physically, socially, and legally. Or they might be cultivators, in which case having every bone in your body broken might be just the start of your problems.

Humans being human, anyone who can’t cultivate, or doesn’t want to (think serious athlete/martial artist/scholar level of time investment) is going to be looking for an equalizer. Guns are a good equalizer.

Nobles, therefore, are going to have guns. They are going to train with guns, and other explosive things, even more than they did historically. Swords are good, swords are elegant, swords are expected for formal dueling. But actual “I consider you my enemy, so I shall do unto you before you can do unto me”? Yeah. Guns.

Of course, there are a lot of other factors involved in whether or not said guns are effective. And there will be some cultivators who use guns, too!

Cultivation, of course, will have plenty of other knock-on effects, especially given arrays exist. And some of them don’t need a cultivator to activate them. Going to chew on those for another day!

48 thoughts on “Worldbuilding: Consequences of Cultivation

  1. So are people going to be mistaking the MCs as cultivators?

    “They have all their teeth!”

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    One thing to keep in mind with arrays is that if you have some long-term effect that doesn’t need a power source, it probably means it’s built into the surrounding energy flows.

    And those energy flows change. 

    Imagine a river changing course and suddenly every array in every city along it’s length breaks all at once!

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    1. Mistaking?

      Depending, at least two of our three (?) known surviving expatriates are possibly classified as cultivators.

      Definitely, a product of mad science and desperate magical medicinal experiment.

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    2. They will at the very least be mistaken as upper class.

      …Lee Cheong and the rest of the Callers are not going to correct this assumption, it’s safer for them. Not to mention the skills they already have (yes, even at not quite 14 Mary has some good ones) and the ones they’re going to pick up give it a lot of truth.

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  2. :nods: Currently working on How My Vampires Are Different, and What Makes a Revenant Different. Also trying to work out various items in magic and while the setting isn’t explicitly a Masquerade, how do you help people deny things they don’t want to see? Some people will want the truth no matter how terrifying and that’s okay, but many are going to desperately want something *else* as the answer. So. Masquerade? How much of it is just a general, “There are no such things as ghosts” said on repeat to keep the truth at bay, and how much is people actively being fooled?

    That at least gives the heroes breathing room and makes the Masquerade not imperative but something “generally acknowledged” and tacitly understood. I really hate the general Masquerade trends and want something like this in place, but how many holes can be poked in it? Depends on who really, really wants to make a spectacle, I suppose….

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    1. Another take on it is if the supernatural gain some strength from fear or belief.

      So people who deny them actually do experience less interactions, unless it’s a particularly powerful one, and people who know don’t really want to tell people.

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      1. I don’t even know how you would detect that, without massively violating all possible ethics rules.

        At least with exorcism double-blinds you are just goign to piss off the demon, not HURT someone!

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    2. You know, even a few years ago I would have said a Masquerade really shouldn’t work.

      …Now I have worked self-checkouts, and lost count of the number of times I’ve had people walk up to a register with a BRIGHT RED LIGHT over it, and CLOSED on the screen, and they just pick up the scanner and start going…..

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      1. Not to mention all the willing drinking of koolaid and forgetting of the events of yesterday, not to mention last week, or last month, in the political realm these past few years…
        The number of times I’ve been in the break room for lunch, and seen co-workers watching the “news”, and the “news” makes a claim, then shows video to “prove” it (that _directly contradicts_ their claim), and I ask my co-workers “did you see that?” only for them to turn out to have believed the “news” people despite what was shown to them. It’d almost be enough to make me think there really was a magical masquerade going on with perception filters and everything, except when I question them stepwise, they can describe what I saw in the “proof” video piece by piece, they just can’t recognize that when the pieces are put together they directly contradict the claims.

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  3. I am so looking forward to this!

    So, I had one of my main characters rescued from pirates, by pirates. And I know that historically, pirates were backed (sometimes) by nations to plunder their enemies.

    The problem for me is that I have no idea who my MC pirates work for just yet…

    Oops.

    I know that the pirates Male MC was saved from are working for the Big Bad.

    The second set? I don’t know where they come from or who they work for, yet. I just know they are the good guys.

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    1. Privateers were essentially pirates working for a country, usually doing so in times of war, under a license to attack enemy shipping, though in the early days the license was usually tacit and not written down. Later licenses are usually known as “Letters of Marque.” I know how that functioned in England better than elsewhere, but almost every European country did it at one point, and this might help generate some ideas (even if the countries themselves are entirely fictional): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque#Abolition_of_privateering

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      1. I know the Big Bad has dinosaur pirates (yes, I know, it’s awesome) working for them. Whether it’s a verbal agreement or a Letter of Marque, I don’t know. I just know that those two are working together.

        What I don’t know is who the Fleet the Good Guy Pirates belong to work for. There is however, a Letter of Marque in the Fleet Admiral’s office, secured where the rest of the Admiral’s sensitive documents are kept.

        The link was very helpful. Thank you.

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      2. :shining eyes: Dinosaur pirates! SOLD!

        Technically, they would be “private agents,” so not working for the Fleet or the government directly. Lends a bit of Plausible Deniability in case the Fleet/government needs it, even if it is figleaf-sized and thin as gauze. So, the Good Guy Pirates don’t have to be *obvious* good guys at first glance, there could be some “did I jump from the frying pan into the fire here?” for the protagonist while you’re contacting the Fleet Admiral’s office for details….

        😀 Glad to hear it helped! :thumbsup:

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      3. On the Lizardmen home world? Yes. Yes there are.

        …I might end up having my main cast help one out at some point…

        Slave trade may be frowned upon, but in the less visible places, you bet it still happens!

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      4. That depends _very much_ on which nation was involved. Which is one reason the US has refused to actually sign onto the international agreements that claim “all privateers are pirates”. Because the US version is _not_ that. What the Constitution provides for is “non-governmental para-military contractors under strict RoE”, not “pirates given haven in exchange for aiming at our enemies”.

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      5. :is standing back, yelling DON’T TOUCH OUR BOATS!!!! into a pillow:

        K, had to get that out of my system….

        Just thought of another reason.

        Pirates would mean they can’t engage in an act of war.

        So you’d be required, if you recognized all privateers as pirates, to ignore when the country that supported them used them to commit acts of war.

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      6. Insufficient cover. Some plausible deniability, to be sure, but that’s only an aid.

        Take Pancho Villa. Mexico agreed to let the United States invade it because it was responsible under international law because the raids were launched from its territory.

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      7. And, of course, land-based is much easier to go “that was definitely from/through these guys,” vs “they went through our water, we’re a victim, too!”

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      8. Either that, or to treat all pirates as de-facto acts of war by their origin nations or nation-of-most-recent-port…

        Anyway, another reason for not treating all privateers and Letters of Marquee as equal, is that there’s nothing saying they _must_ be at sea. In fact, Marcher Lords had Letters of Marquee, on land. And the US constitution explicitly declares LoMs as “on land and sea”, because the US version was based more on the Marcher Lords than on Privateers, in concept. A case of “the US can’t support a sufficiently large standing military, so in case of war we will accredit certain paramilitary organizations willing to follow RoE more stringent than the actual military to fight for the US as official non-government military forces, with oversight on their actions before earning anything from them.”

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    2. They belonged to the navy of a country conquered by the Big Bad and are living on the high seas rather than being enslaved.

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    3. Sounds a lot like the story in a tavern involving some ruffian named Strider accosting some hobbits. Tolkein despaired. Who was this guy? Where did he come from, what did he want?

      We all know how that eventually turned out.

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      1. Yes. We all know how that turned out indeed. I’m not to the point where I am despairing just yet though.

        I know who they are and what they want, it’s who’s backing them that’s the problem.

        :Idea!: I have a feeling that the fleet they are a part of works for the Male MC’s mother.

        I need to work out the details, but there’s something there now…

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  4. One of my stories has Class lords, who determine just how the class as a whole works. One of the main adventuring party is sea raised. As in yearly visits to her mother’s clan have been the only time she’s stepped onto land. She’s even a Spell Privateer.

    Her father is the Pirate/Privateer Lord, and she is going to be his successor. He is deliberately sending her to a land academy to learn how to deal with nobles and land-folk. Helps that she’s going to live at least five centuries, so she can take twenty years to make some genuine friends and contacts.(They’ve been cheated so much..) Plus, the Water Elemental Lord told him that piracy is going away. He’s in charge of the transition from strictly seafarer to…

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    1. Edit: In charge of the expansion from strictly seafarer/sailor. He also is the main reason why sea brigandry, as it is named there, is declining. Rapidly.

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  5. You know, the whole “a lot of cultivators cannot hide that they are important due to being conspiciously tall”-bit has interesting implications!

    If there was a need for cultivators who can go undercover – not an immediate need but the kind of need you can plan for longterm – when you have a reason for an otherwise stratified society to arrange for poor scholarship students to cultivation schools.

    Because height is one of those things strongly affected by epigenetics. Not only does a person’s childhood nutrition matter but also how often their parents and grandparents experienced famine before conceiving the next generation. You do not want a tall cultivator? Teach cultivation to somebody whose family has been poor for generations.

    (Just look at the population of contemporary europe steadily getting taller with every generation thanks to the long peace (1945-present).)

    Of course that kind of relies on which kind of world you chose to build – does your alternate korea have cultivation schools + the kind of organization necessary for stipends for poor but promising kids?

    I am greatly enjoying the glimpses you provide of your future book!

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    1. Methinks ninja and such types go looking for kids exactly like that, yes….

      Thank you! I’m just hoping I can pull it all off. Given inflation and trying to make ends meet, finding enough energy to write is tricky.

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  6. There’s a lot of superficial resemblance between Eastern and Western styles of meditation, but…confusing them is a serious error, from either side.

    This might not have been true, or as true, in classical times. Stuff like Neoplatonism and Pythagoreanism had a lot in common with Eastern thought, and they did include meditation as part of their religious and magical ideas.

    But the Jewish and Christian kinds of Western meditation are about something (like meditating on a Bible verse), and generally are supposed to have the object of contacting God, getting taught by God, finding out God’s will, etc. There is a certain amount of quieting the mind, etc., to the point that advanced work is just pure contemplation without conscious thought, but in general it is outward-focused.

    Most forms of Eastern meditation are trying to achieve oneness with the universe, enlightenment, a sort of inner stillness, or all of the above. Many forms of meditation in this tradition (such as Zen Buddhist meditation) regard any sort of religious experience during meditation as an illusion that is to be ignored.

    The ground and center stuff was originally more on the Eastern side, and is esotericism, but I’m not clear exactly where the heck that the pagan/magic folks got it.

    Anyway… when Western Jewish or Christian meditation gets turned toward purposeful abstraction, you generally get a big mess, like the Quietist movement. At best, it’s beside the point to focus on just oneself, or just the universe. Positive physical and mental effects are to be seen as nice byproducts, and one should be thankful for them; but they should not become a distraction from the real point.

    And when non-Christian/Jewish people from Eastern traditions try to do Western-style meditation, they also tend to get in a big mess (or convert, either one). This tends to come up in instruction books for newbs that warn about certain pitfalls, or in stories about “how famous Zen monk was on the wrong path until corrected”.

    Obviously there are all kinds of subgenres of meditation, but that’s a crude attempt at distinction.

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