Track of the Apocalypse Ch5 Ficbit – Map

Lot of blue, think those are landmasses but they’re weird-shaped, those pretty much have to be islands scattered through oceans with… landmasses on each side. Including one really big one that goes almost to the center line and dips down off the bottom, with part of its coast just missing where the bottom of the map is. And one side of ocean has an island chain that trails off one side of the map, and the other side of the map has a couple of islands that have to be the other end-

Oh no. Oh no, don’t tell me….

“Normally a hayajiro probably wouldn’t carry a map like this at all,” Ayame said cheerfully, “but one of our steamsmiths used to work on a steam freighter.”

Which was the moment Jack decided he was never, ever teaching this young lady poker.

World map. Who are you, and where do you come from?

The people of Tenka had mapped their world. Jack eyed the blank spots. Most of it, anyway.

And he couldn’t even try to bluff, because Ayame had her hands folded, not giving clue one where they currently were. On top of that, the darned thing was labeled in two distinct writing systems. One of which had angles that looked sort-of kind-of familiar, and Jack was not at all surprised to see Daniel’s eyes go bright as he studied one of the rare artifacts SG-1 had come across that ought to have decipherable text.

“I think the original labels are in a variant of Futhark.” Their linguist touched the map carefully, smoothing out an island that’d gotten a little wrinkled. “And… someone scribbled on it in the local language, it looks like the same symbols as on Mumei’s gun dial and that tract that was supposed to be on berry cultivation someone was reading in our car. Which… oh boy.”

That was not good. That was never good. “Daniel?” Jack said blandly. Because given Ayame and co. probably didn’t call those angled rune-things Futhark, they’d blown any chance of passing themselves off as from one of Tiw’s group of people. Not that he’d planned to, he’d told Danny they should be up-front with Ayame’s people, but it would have been nice to have the option.


40 thoughts on “Track of the Apocalypse Ch5 Ficbit – Map

  1. Ayame, you little fox. :3
    Best way to figure where someone is… Place map before them and see what they “recognise”.

    Of course, on the Jack’s side… The fact they have the world map is amazing!

    Then Danny got case of linquist. And blew their cover. *G*

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    1. Like the episode “1969” where an Air Force Officer asked Danny “Are you a spy?” in Russian. And Danny automatically replied, “Nyet”. And it took a bit of verbal nudging how that answer did not help SG-1’s situation.

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  2. Ayame has the dangerous combination of a disarming young, innocent looks with shrewd mind that is sharp as a blade, coated in the silk of politeness.

    SG1 rarely faces such combination.

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      1. Yeah, though in this case he probably wants that brain pointed away from him.

        As somebody in the last snippet mentioned I can’t help compare his reaction to a young female commander to Asuna in the SG-1/SAO xover. Though hopefully somebody in that fic can stop Jack pounding every bodies buttons before the genetically engineered guys give him a beating, or lose what little respect they have for SGC.

        Ayame is just great here, and Daniel just blew their cover…

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      2. Heh, Almost guaranteed, there’s some small sliver of Jack’s brain that wants to recruit Ayame, rush her through OCS, and put her in charge of something. B/c the gut reaction of any *competent* officer (and more than a few DIs) upon encountering this kind of Leadership Skill is “GIMME!” Find good leadership material for all the levels it’s needed at is probably a bigger problem for most skill-based militaries than funding.

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  3. Fun fact: Futhark probably comes from one of the pre-Roman “italic alphabets”, like Etruscan, that come from Phoenician and Greek, as opposed to be derived from the Latin alphabet like most European systems.

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    1. The Futhark is what the Norse used as their writing system, right? I wouldn’t expect it to have anything to do with Latin culture. Given that Historical!Odin was probably a ruthless shaman (and willing to break all taboos) and I think I recall something about a likely migration from the Caucasus Mountains, Germanic/Norse culture prior to Rome’s influence would have been influenced from the east rather than the south.


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      1. Thing to keep in mind? The Romans had a habit of insisting that the various pantheons they had contact with were all the same. Mercury was also apparently originally much older, which had something to do with their claim that Mercury was Odin.

        We have the derived from historical figures model, we have the mutations of oral history model, and we have the theory that pantheons develop by accreting religious practices of neighbors or subjects. Roman theology shows some pretty obvious signs of the latter. There is a chance that the vanir/aesir split in what we call Norse mythology is also similar evidence. We don’t know enough to say that historical Odin is /the/ correct model, which we can reason from to deduce the spread and movements of the teachings that became norse mythology. Old Italic alphabets are thought to be derived from the system spread by the Phoenicians, and the last got everywhere. We don’t know the true extent of the spread of the Phoenician system, we don’t know the true extent of the spread of the old Italic systems, and the rune lore in the ancestral odin/wotan tales might be of a third unrelated system that was later combined with a better Phoenician derived system to create Elder Futhark, with the ‘modern’ rune lore being invented to match the ‘modern’ system. A movement from the Caucasus could well have intersected with a prehistoric spread of a phoenician described writing system that we only have extant examples of in the centers of that writing system.

        Furthermore, there gets to be a chance that the dynamics of whatever migrations have something to do with the drowning of Doggerland. There could have been civilization centered there, which would have had archeological evidence if it had remained above water. There are theories that the red haired and blonde genes are tied to isolated/remnant populations of humans. See the Irish neanderthal theory that gets passed around. Doggerland might have been inhabited by a population with ties to either the Irish or the current Scandinavians. Or not, this isn’t an area I know, and some of this stuff is a little politically fraught and everything tends to be lacking in evidence.

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      2. To add on to Satoyama’s comment, because I suspect Vathara would get a kick out of this –

        The Romans were really, really big on narrative convention over objective reality.

        If the author didn’t like someone, they probably described them as a poisoner (if a lady) or sexually transgressive (if a man) – because everyone knew the story of the Evil Mother/Wife Who Poisons All Rivals or the Weird Gay Villain, and they were effective tropes to play into.

        (This is why we really don’t know how bad the “bad” emperors were – a lot of the accusations are probably slander. Ditto, Livia Augusta gets accused of poisoning EVERYONE, but the evidence is sketchy at best; a lot of people didn’t like her because she was a woman wielding political power.)

        Roman accounts of non-Roman people are skewed in the same way – they had a habit of referring to EVERY barbarian as tall, muscular, red-haired, bearded, and wearing pants. (The pants were important.)

        And unfortunately, the Roman accounts are often the main ones we have, when we’re looking at early Germanic, Celtic, and Slavic groups.

        This makes it really hard to know what non-Romans looked like or believed in – everything was overloaded with tropes.

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      3. I think I recall something about a likely migration from the Caucasus Mountains, Germanic/Norse culture prior to Rome’s influence would have been influenced from the east rather than the south.

        According to Snorri Sturluson’s Prose Edda, the Aesir – “men of Asia” – came in and tricked the local chieftains into believing that they were gods.

        He specifically identifies these Aesir as refugees from Troy, which would fit the “pre-Roman, Greek and Phoenician-derived writing system” origin for Futhark.

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      4. The Romans had a claim of being descended from refugees from Troy.

        Ten fifteen years back there was a story in a newspaper of a study that had found a village in Turkey with an abnormally close genetic relation ship with some areas near Rome. Which is hardly any sort of definitive.

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      5. Also on descriptions, don’t forget that historians have been having trouble for a long time with the greek and roman color descriptions, which seemed to have some really odd discrepancies to them… Until some relatively recent work that noted all the discrepancies clear up if the “colors” were actually other things (hue and saturation and stuff like that, rather than what we would now call “color”, like on some of the early styles of computer monitor). So taking them as they’ve been traditionally translated would throw us off significantly. “What do you mean the fields weren’t ‘white’, they were actually ‘oversaturated’?”

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      6. “What do you mean the fields weren’t ‘white’, they were actually ‘oversaturated’?”

        You mean like in the phrase “The fields are white for the harvest”?

        What that means is that the grains are so ripe that they’ve started falling out of their husks and you’re losing your harvest. IOW, you’ve waited too long to start reaping.

        The empty husks make the fields look “white” as we’d understand it.

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      7. Yes, that too (I just used the first one of the specifically noted color examples I could remember off-hand), but that wasn’t actually the point of the research. Besides the fact that the grains they most commonly used don’t actually look “white” by what modern color terms mean by that, even when they’ve reached that stage (having lived in places with fields of multiple grains, and seen what they’re like).

        Another example was that the greeks and romans described water and polished bronze, and in certain circumstances even fresh wet blood (but not dried blood), as having the same “color” (same word used for each). Again, not because they were saying that “blue = yellowish-reddish = dark red”, but instead because they were focusing on “dark but brightly reflective” _as_ a “color”.

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      8. Mmmm, yeah, but the archeological evidence shows that most equestrian peoples wore pants. Often the women too, if they rode. A safety thing.

        And archeology has shown that a lot of Roman emperors were villains, at least part of the time, and were sleeping with little boys or very young men. (The city named after Antinous in Egypt is pretty… Um…. Well. Probably did not go over very well with pagans of either Roman or Egyptian stripe. Maybe the Greeks liked it.)

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  4. I need to get back to rewatching the series, because Ayame in the first four episodes hasn’t struck me as being quite as impressive as she is in these two sequel fics. I mean, yes, her interactions with Ikoma, and her using the steam-bow, but I can’t help but feel that Vathara!Ayame wouldn’t have given in to those idiots who tried to kick Mumei and Ikoma out and got Kabane’d for their trouble.

    Granted, Vathara!Ayame has been through the fall of Kongokaku and Biba’s betrayal.


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  5. it is a bit off topic, but i want you to try writing one day SG1 getting into a world based on a parody… to have the mdeal not with the evil or monstrous, but the ridiculous…

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    1. That reminds me of a Star Trek novel called ‘How much for the Planet’.

      It’s been a long time since I read it, but the planet had an extreme amount of something and both The Federation and Klingons wanted it. The people living there basically turned ridiculousness into a weapon.

      One part had the Fed group split up and one part got captured by a group pretending to be slavers. The Fed group didn’t know it wasn’t real. There was a ‘Prophecy’ about the group that they would free the slaves, but it was McCoy’s lunch order. Whoever ordered that meal would free them.

      I’m explaining this terribly aren’t I? Just go read the book

      Sorry if that was kinda long. It been a few years? since I thought about that novel. I’m just wondering how SG-1 would handle that planet.

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      1. I lost my copy while moving. It sucked.

        That book was hilarious, I had to put it down several times from laughing. I loved re-reading it. The milkshake obsessed computer was hilarious and the alien with the wings eventually has a row of ducklings following him.

        I’m trying to find a PDF version to read. I don’t have the money to buy it. I would love to see how the SG-1 gang would deal with them.

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      2. Dad just keeps a box of books in the car (and a list of books he wants but is missing), so when he’s driving around and finds a used book store that has a tradein option, he can trade for stuff he wants.

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      1. That’s the mildly ecchi one where at least one of the three waifus will breast boobily every episode, right? Didn’t you have a fic where you decided the one cat-girl was about twice the harem stud’s age?, for the same reason that prolong treatments caused Honor Harrington to finish physically maturing at age 40 or so?

        Nightmare scenario: Anti-aging treatments mean that children take decades to get to the point where their brains are considered ‘neurostable’, which is itself delayed by the frustration of being as old as 40 and still subject to parental neuro-geasa. (Plus meds to induce a Westermarck effect in acquaintances, although that last is something we could likely use as long as it’s a temporary effect, or can be reversed once the patient attains majority.)



      2. (Note: I’m of the opinion that we could get rid of age of consent laws, as long as we got rid of the Sexual Revolution first, so that average age of first intercourse goes back up to the early 20s.)

        I actually have that scenario as the start of a novel outline. A gifted young man is permitted to go on a low-budget cruise to Jupiter as part of his education, but the ship is hijacked while approaching the asteroid belt, because a failing asteroid colony is desperate for an infusion of undamaged gene. For life support reasons, everyone has been in hibernation with induction helmets to continue their education while their bodies sleep through the long voyage (low-budget cruise, not quite a minimum transfer orbit but still a multi-month ballistic course), so when they’re all woken up for the gene-damaged hicks to inspect they haven’t been Westermarcked to each other.

        Main character, once they take back the ship, groans that with the unchaperoned shenanigans now possible, it’ll be _at least_ another decade tacked onto his development time. He might not be free until he’s 50!

        I’m thinking at least one person on the cruise has learned every trick there is about hacking one’s mental processes to defy neuro-geasa.

        Part of the premise is that for several generations, human life extension efforts have run into severe “Oops! We didn’t know about this!” issues, so the current recommended-to-parents techniques are far more cautious than the approaches of past generations.

        Sadly, thoughts along the lines of, “Once I control my destiny I won’t let _anyone_ tell me what to do!” have recently been included in the ‘not yet neurostable’ category of thought patterns.

        Unfortunately, while I’ve got that part of the novel outlined well enough, I haven’t come up with the plot of what happens after. So they get to Jupiter and have to deal with being put back into mental shackles . . . hell, they’ll probably hoist the skull and crossbones themselves and disappear with their ship before they even approach, won’t they? Hmm, do they have the delta-vee to stop the entire ship and attack the gene-damaged asteroid colony, or do they load as many would-be Space Pirates into the colony’s hijack ship and _then_ start their career?

        Decisions, decisions . . .


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      3. There’s some more fun thoughts along that line of analysis.

        First is education. Could more time spent thinking at a below adult level more heavily entrench below adult level thinking? Could adding on more years of education for everyone result in a decrease of education quality?

        Economics. Who is funding that level of oversight of the children? Do the children not have jobs? If so, how do they cope with the transition to having jobs? Yes, I do remember what Smith postulated for Norlamin, but I definitely do not buy extrapolating from that here.

        Leadership, management, and organization. What makes the parents competent to plan for and decide for the children on that time scale? If they start at fifty or sixty, that is most of their own experience having decisions made for them, and quite possibly with their thinking deeply entrenched in a decision making process that, for lack of responsibility, is not even up to their own needs.

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      4. While it’s not PC to mention it now, there were studies done that show children given responsibility at younger ages (at least the placebo of the appearance of actual responsibility without a safety net. it took them a while to figure out where the discrepancy in results was coming from, with those given “responsibility” but the knowledge it didn’t matter) actually do have their brains mature physically faster than those that don’t. (that initial set of discrepancies was the excuse used to discredit those studies, despite it being fixed in the later rounds)

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      5. Not surprised by that study. If I get to be a father, I want to keep (at minimum) chickens and pigs. Chickens for the kids to take care of for spending money, pigs for them to take care of for project money. Probably a veggie garden at minimum for the farming knowledge, perhaps rabbits for fur, meat, and scat . . .

        Farm chores are amazing at building character. Throw in fun projects like a home-built Archimedes Screw to provide irrigation, maybe some of those projects on that Primitive Survival Tool youtube channel but with proper drainage and whatnot, videogames that use grinding addiction as a teaching tool, etc.

        But one purpose of sci-fi is to explore possibilities. Going with the assumption that prolong-style childhood stretching really is necessary for setting up the body to last for centuries, how long can you make someone stay a child before they demand the freedom of an adult?

        I think the ‘pirates’ will go raiding Saturn, defying the state monopoly on harvesting ring ice. Then, perhaps, addressing the issue of gene-damaged colonies, maybe they go looking for women who _want_ to be ‘kidnapped’ into the horrors of only needing to sleep with one man, make babies with him, and tend their nest while he keeps them alive in the hostile emptiness of space.


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