Writing Crossovers: Cowboys & Samurai

I’m far from the first to point out the mutual attraction Americans and Japanese have for stories of the Old West and wandering ronin. To the point that stories have been used for inspiration back and forth; Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai and John Sturges’ The Magnificent Seven being one of the best-known pairs of examples. But there are also stories of cowboys and samurai. Just off the top of my head I can name Red Sun with Charles Bronson, and episodes of many old Westerns including The Rifleman, Wanted: Dead or Alive, Bonanza, Have Gun Will Travel, and Wagon Train. This is intriguing, both from the viewpoint of someone who likes to write stories with a basis in history, and as someone who writes crossovers.

In short, while the historical cowboy and samurai existed at the same time and on the same planet, they came from two very different cultural worlds. So when you see one of these stories done well, it can give you guidelines on how to do crossovers in general.

Your heroes have different skills. Sometimes a sword is faster. Sometimes a gun.

Different knowledge. In most American cowboy and samurai stories, the cowboy has local savvy while the samurai knows how the situation affects international politics – and often, knows who’s trying to wreck them.

Different moral hierarchies. Usually we se the stark contrast between Combat Pragmatism and Honor Before Reason. But in the good stories, there’s generally an acknowledgement of “Not So Different”; the code of honor may differ between the two cultures, but the fact that both characters have a code of honor gives them a basis for mutual understanding.

Another common theme that comes up is that neither the samurai nor the cowboy fit with the “folks back East”; modern, supposedly civilized society, whether American Easterners or the modernizing Meiji government. Men who live by their words and their weapons are doomed to frustration and sometimes lethal rage when trying to deal with those who don’t consider themselves bound by any agreement unless it’s written down by a lawyer, signed, sealed, and even then, taken to court.

(See any bunch of crossover heroes dealing with bureaucracy, ever.)

So if you’re looking for examples of how to do crossovers, see if a cowboy-samurai movie is your cup of tea. (Or filtered through socks camp coffee.) Old Hollywood has some interesting storytelling techniques to learn. You just have to look.

24 thoughts on “Writing Crossovers: Cowboys & Samurai

  1. I’ve definitely seen cases of the sword being faster than a gun in media, but I’m not sure it works out in reality.

    Comparing the “speed drawing” techniques, one is pulling out a few inches of steel while the other is pulling out several feet.
    Given similar proficiency, it seems like one has an inherent advantage.

    You could imagine the swordsman having much greater proficiency on average, since they do a lot more sparring, but somehow saying “The swordsman with his decades of experience is able to outmatch the gunman who picked up a pistol last weekend” doesn’t sound that impressive.

    More generally, a sword strike usually involves building some momentum, which means footwork and swinging in a somewhat predictable arc for even a quick slash.

    A thrust is faster, but requires everything be lined up first.

    A gun on the other hand just needs to end up pointed in the right direction, so they can “swing” it in whatever path is easiest and fire whenever they are pointed at something squishy.

    Trying to predict their movements is harder than predicting a swordsman simply because they need less movement, they don’t need to shift their stance, and there are a lot more potential movements they can do.

    There might be some advantages when very close in, because the gunman won’t be used to it and it might involve a grapple, but swords still don’t work that well in a grapple either.

    The main advantage might be accuracy, since western six-shooters weren’t the most accurate things in the world, especially from a quickdraw, but again, it doesn’t seem that impressive for the swordsman to succeed from “luck.”

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    1. Actually there’ve been studies that show that melee weapons, once they get into range, are in all respects superior to guns. Even modern ones.

      That said the problem is getting into range. Now I’m not going to say you’re wrong about quickdraw techniques…except in the case of drawing a gun and drawing a sword if the sword user’s in range and trained in proper quickdraw techniques which incorporate the drawing motion into the actual sword strike it’s probably going to go to the swordsman because guns are inaccurate and quickdraw gun techniques focus on volume of fire over accuracy and unlike in Hollywood movies accuracy with guns is actually pretty abysmal unless you’re a trained sharpshooter/sniper and have the time to line up your shot properly.

      If the gun’s out and the sword is sheathed though, I’m willing to give it to the gunman.

      Of course that’s only in settings that give more than vague a nod to how things work in the real world. If you’re looking at a Cowboys and Samurai anime or manga (and I seem to recall one that was explicitly built on that very concept that I never got to watch or read more than a single volume of because of availability issues) there tends to be a lot of “not-magic” which can turn things on their head and upset the normal balance of things.

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      1. I would point out that accuracy at 30 feet is different from accuracy at sword-range.
        If nothing else, the human body covers a larger arc.

        But even that implies a “stand and deliver” approach to a duel.
        A gunman can continue to fire while dodging, or even running away.
        Accuracy won’t be anything impressive, but they will certainly be able to attack more than the swordsman, until their bullets run out.

        Then the question is about tactics.
        If you’re desperate, you work with what you have, but would you really want to rely on their inaccuracy to win?
        Or would you pick up a gun and shoot from cover, leaving the sword for a last resort?

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      2. Actually there’ve been studies that show that melee weapons, once they get into range, are in all respects superior to guns.

        (Cues the chorus.)
        Guns are NOT a MELEE WEAPON!

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      3. You’re dramatically over estimating the gun. Have you ever actually fired one? Have you tried to aim one? Have you ever been in a fight in melee? Or even just a spar?

        Melee attacks are FAST and you’re always moving in a melee. Even in boxing where you are, by definition, engaged in a slugging match you’re always moving.

        With a gun you HAVE to stand still to have a hope in hell of not just hitting anything, but to properly brace yourself against the recoil otherwise you’re more likely to injure yourself than you are to hit your target. Unlike in Hollywood or anime you can’t shoot while moving. You have to stop and brace yourself then fire. Sure with training you can actually do that very swiftly, but it’s still a process of “move. stop. brace. aim. fire.” whereas melee is “move, move, move.” The attacks are part of the movement.

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      4. Yup, you watch true crime shows, and if somebody with a knife is _close_ to somebody with a gun, the person with the knife is definitely going to cut the guy with the gun. Now, after that, you have a problem.

        Btw, while we’re talking melee weapons, Edwardian Farm (I think it’s episode 2) has billhooks in action, and how to turn random skinny shrubs into hedge-fencing! And they show how there were all kinds of varieties of billhooks used within English counties, and between counties.

        So I think that explains a lot of the polearm varieties that you see — you got what “tool” design that you and the blacksmith agreed upon, and that could be pretty different but still pretty effective. You only got “all the same model” if Lord Bob or the Bobsville Town Council were paying to have mass production of the same model.

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    2. Can make winning with the sword impressive by having him put the blade to the cowboy’s throat and not cutting— so speed of drawing combined with control.

      Is a good match to the “cowboy wins because ranged even though the Samurai already had his blade drawn” win.

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      1. While you’d have to have a VERY good swordsman to do that, it’s actually more or less borne out by real life instead of being a game mechanic like the Fire Emblem weapons triangle (don’t get me wrong, I live my weapons triangle, but it is very much a video game conceit). In a narrative work it is a good balance though.

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      2. *nod*

        Just like the classic movie version of “distance” where the samurai already has his sword out and is maybe 15 feet away, to manage it you’ve got to be insanely good. BUT it works, dramatically.

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  2. While the subject of samurai and guns is on the table, did you hit a block with “Tracks of the Apocalypse”? A while back you posted some snippets but the final chapter never materialized.

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    1. I had to move. I’m still settling in. And dog got sick, and roommate got very sick, I got sick as well but not quite as sick and someone has to take the dog out on leash several times a day, get groceries, etc…. and for the past month or so I’ve been fighting to just get the daily blogpost written.

      I don’t know if you can call it a block when I can’t get concentration and quiet time at the same time to write in the first place. It’s very frustrating.

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      1. Yeah, I remember some of your posts at the time mentioning it. Best of luck with settling in, and may your 2021 give you a bit of a break so you can find some time to relax and write again. Everyone wins when you do!

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      2. I guess this would depend on what counts as clearing out the house, and whether you have any attachment to what may be left in there, but if there’s still a significant amount of stuff… is there any option to sell the remaining contents of the house, say to an antique dealer or curio shop, with a deadline by which they should have it emptied, after which all that’s left would be selling the house itself?

        Only mentioning it because I’ve been watching a Canadian guy on YT who does that sometimes, and I can’t imagine he’s the only one in the world.

        I can’t remember if you’d already tried that and ruled it out, or what, but if not… it’s a thought, at any rate. *shrug*

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      3. There’s some things that Sib wants, that she’s currently too sick to go get herself, and really need a pickup truck to haul out. Then we have to send some personal items to other relatives, and then fight with them to get the house sold. Because currently we’re all on the hook for any bills associated with it, but only I and Sib are in easy reach of the bill collectors. *Deadpan* Such fun.

        Edit: If at all possible, do not allow any relatives to die intestate. In this case it was impossible to do otherwise, because by the time we knew how much trouble we were on the hook for “sound mind and body” was not an option. 2018-2019 came very close to killing me. I wish I were exaggerating.

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  3. This is all making me think of Appare Ranman considering there’s actual Samurai and Cowboys in it. I really should get around to watching the rest of it.

    Kosame beat several guys with guns. Not sure how accurate it was, but it was awesome.

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  4. About the ‘blades vs guns’ thing: If you’ve got magic in the setting, consider casting times. The 20 foot rule for charging into melee range against a gunslinger might easily apply to mages as well.

    In a tavern, the staff might even practice grabbing wands or other foci, if the results of a miscast aren’t as bad as the results of a drunk and pissed off mage successfully casting.

    -Albert

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  5. Vaguely on topic, I remember the live action Kenshin (#1) had our hero dodging bullets successfully. Plausibly behind a rather decorative metal railing around the upper level of a library. And the ninja was just firing wildly.

    Sort of related recommendation of a book that may be worth a look: The Cowboy and the Cossack by.. I forget.. Clair Huffaker (who apparently wrote western movie scripts), about cowboys bringing a herd of cattle to the steppes. from the ‘zon blurb: “The feud between American six shooter and Russian saber is embodied in two men” I also remember something about ‘you play chess, I play poker’ going by.

    Many many sympathies on your ongoing intestate situation. Even with proper wills etc., our family had a slog. I can imagine how much worse it is for you.

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